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Looking for advice about reinforcing a joint with braces

2.8K views 19 replies 6 participants last post by  DrRobert  
#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I would appreciate some advice on something I'm working on.
I have built a 'squat rack' with 4x4s for the base and posts. The four posts are supported at the base with braces but I wish to add some to the tops.
Currently there are beams of 2x4s between the outside of the posts but I would like to add braces to the corners for support and to prevent racking.
I think I will use some 2x4s for bracing but I'm not sure the best way to attach them to the posts and beams.
Here are some pictures for clarity:

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#3 · (Edited by Moderator)
There are metal table leg braces that I would prefer over wood, since it may split on the larger screws.
Disregard the leg mounting brackets:

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You can make the kerfs after assembly with a handsaw, double blades hack saw, or saber saw.
 
#4 ·
A gusset with 45's on each side. You can notch the 4x4 to a 45 to create a flat surface for the gusset to sit flat against or you can cut a v groove with opposing 45's in the gusset to accept the corner of the 45. I would recommend the first. If you notch the gusset too deep you will weaken it.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Notching the tops of the posts to snugly receive the horizontal 2x4s and then glue and screw them will add a lot of stiffness to the structure without further bracing. However, you can also add suggested gussets.
Unfortunately, the 4 screws alone don't offer much resistance to racking. If you notch the tops of the posts half the thickness of the 2x4s and then notch the ends of the 2x4s half thickness (similar to a half lap joint) and then glue them, you will then have two shoulders and the glue line to resist racking. A plus will be that the outside surfaces of the posts and 2x4s will be flush.
 
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I hope the drawing makes sense.
Doc, we need to have a "zoom" meeting and work on your drawing techniques. or lack there of?
Perspective is a big help.
Dark outlines separate objects.
Like this:
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and this:
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#12 ·
Thank you for all the advice.
I gather that I should either:
1) Add gussets horizontally as per DrRobert
2) Add metal table leg braces as per woodnthings
3) Add gussets horizontally and notch either the posts or the gussets as per B Coll
4) Notch the posts (and beams) and screw and glue (and add horizontal gussets) as per yomanbill
5) No need to reinforce if beams are screwed and glued as per Steve Neul

I need this to be able to be dismantled so I will not be using glue only screws.

No-one has suggested it but would vertical gussets like I have at the base, turned 90degrees and screwed horizontally into the posts and horizontally into the sides of the beams be a solution?

This is what I have at the base of the posts:
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The base of the posts and floor beams (?) are notched and screwed together.
 
#13 ·
No-one has suggested it but would vertical gussets like I have at the base, turned 90degrees and screwed horizontally into the posts and horizontally into the sides of the beams be a solution?
Yes, and a good one. Using the screws in that orientation, but predrilling for pilot holes first will help prevent splitting the wood.
 
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#18 ·
Those will work also.
Any brace is better than no brace.
The diagonals are the best, because they have more resistance over a great length.
The longer the leg of the brace away from the post, the greater the strength.
The fasteners are the "weak link" because they can shear or bend off or away.
The wood itself will not fail, but the fasteners may split out.
We are not talking "gobs" of force here, so moderation is OK.