What I'm I missing on Sargent #49 Rabbet Plane
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The wheel is used to score or nick the wood ahead of the blade. And yes you appear to be missing the depth stop which would attach above the wheel. If the picture shows everything you got, you are also missing a fence which attaches on either the left or right.
The design is similar (if not the same) to the Stanley #78. If the thread sizes are the same between the two, you could probably get parts from a Stanley.
Someone will probably chime in and tell if the threads are the same between the Stanley and your Sargent.
The design is similar (if not the same) to the Stanley #78. If the thread sizes are the same between the two, you could probably get parts from a Stanley.
Someone will probably chime in and tell if the threads are the same between the Stanley and your Sargent.
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I don't see how you could attach a depth stop with that wheel, I'd bet it has a spur shaped inset underneath.
But yes, I agree that you also appear to be missing the fence. You may need to use a batten to use the plane for rabbets.
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Ok sorry I had to go out for awhile and couldn’t respond.
Anyway thanks everybody for all the info. I’m still trying to figure out why you would need to score or nick the wood. Is that to keep the edge from splitting or splintering?
I also don’t understand how the fence attaches because the hole does not go all the way through and there is no screw or anything to keep it from falling out. The Stanley 78 has a wing screw to hold and I suppose also adjust the fence.
I can see how a depth gauge would slide in that V grove if the wheel wasn’t there.
Anyway thanks everybody for all the info. I’m still trying to figure out why you would need to score or nick the wood. Is that to keep the edge from splitting or splintering?
I also don’t understand how the fence attaches because the hole does not go all the way through and there is no screw or anything to keep it from falling out. The Stanley 78 has a wing screw to hold and I suppose also adjust the fence.
I can see how a depth gauge would slide in that V grove if the wheel wasn’t there.
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The fence rod is smooth with threads on the end that go where acowboy notes and then the wing screw grips the fence onto the rod at the distance of your choosing.
The knicker is for when you're making a rabbet cross grain to prevent tearout. With the grain you don't need it. You could get by with making a strong line with a marking knife or chisel instead.
The knicker is for when you're making a rabbet cross grain to prevent tearout. With the grain you don't need it. You could get by with making a strong line with a marking knife or chisel instead.
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Caution when using a Rebate plane...
http://www.inthewoodshop.com/furniture/UsingRebatePlanes.html
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They do have a habit to get you.
http://www.inthewoodshop.com/furniture/UsingRebatePlanes.html
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They do have a habit to get you.
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Oh wow thanks for the warning.
I have never used one of these types of planes and I was looking forward to seeing how it works. The more I look at it, the more difficult it looks especially for narrow rabbits and I was just wondering if I may have to build some sort of jig to keep it from tilting over the edge.
Anyway I’m a little disappointed with my purchase after finding out how much the rest of the parts cost me. It reminds me of buying a car without an engine, tires or battery. The extras cost more than the car itself.
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Np,
Here is where the cycle starts, either you buy the part, and yes it is expensive sometimes. But you have the part or parts for make your plane complete. Or you can search the web or garage sale and buy a plane for the parts..lol. Unless its broken somewhere, you will end up with another plane that either sits in a box or in "plane" view saying
"fix me too".:yes:
Here is where the cycle starts, either you buy the part, and yes it is expensive sometimes. But you have the part or parts for make your plane complete. Or you can search the web or garage sale and buy a plane for the parts..lol. Unless its broken somewhere, you will end up with another plane that either sits in a box or in "plane"
view saying "fix me too".:yes:
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It happens. I got burned on a few eBay plane purchases before I became familiar with planes & learned exactly what I was looking at.Sleeper said:Oh wow thanks for the warning.
I have never used one of these types of planes and I was looking forward to seeing how it works. The more I look at it, the more difficult it looks especially for narrow rabbits and I was just wondering if I may have to build some sort of jig to keep it from tilting over the edge.
Anyway I’m a little disappointed with my purchase after finding out how much the rest of the parts cost me. It reminds me of buying a car without an engine, tires or battery. The extras cost more than the car itself.
I spent 30 bucks on a Stanley 78 thinking I got a good deal, and ended up spending another 30 on the parts I was missing lol
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If you read up on the planes you're looking for here he details what parts are often missing. When I bought a 78 I waited until I saw a complete one at a good price, which meant skipping quite a few. Mine ended up going for not much as the seller had the bidder history hidden which I think scared people off. Some people even think something is missing when it is not. The plane I was going to bid on had I lost the one I got was listed as incomplete because the seller thought it was missing a second blade and cap to go on the bullnose position.
But yes, parts are expensive, which is why you see so many lots of plane bodies for sale that have been stripped.
But yes, parts are expensive, which is why you see so many lots of plane bodies for sale that have been stripped.
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This is just so wrong! :furious: I would never do something like this.
While I was searching for parts I saw another 79 with all the parts and I wished I hadn’t already bought this one. It is just starting to bid and I’m just going to watch it to see how much it goes for. I don't want a bunch of skeletons laying around.
I was watching another item on eBay that I really wanted, but expected it to go for well over a $150 so I didn’t bother to bid, and then when It sold for $79, I was kicking myself in the butt for not trying.
That's not an original nicker. The correct one sits in beyond flush to the plane side and doesn't protrude over the groove for the depth stop. That copper pin looks like it was added, too. Stanley 78s have a depth adjuster for the blade. Plenty of those available and not too expensive since they aren't the best for rabbet work. All rabbet planes have the blade projecting flush with the plane side. Very easy to cut your fingers if you put them in the wrong place.
When you buy on line from pictures, you have to know what to look for. Even then, it can be difficult. You couldn't tell if the blade has been altered on the width and won't come flush with the side, for example. The nicker on that one was a glaring irregularity. Many of the sellers on Ebay simply don't know what they have. Some may be scammers but most just found something and are trying to make a buck. If there aren't several bidders, people are seeing things you don't or the item isn't desirable.
When you buy on line from pictures, you have to know what to look for. Even then, it can be difficult. You couldn't tell if the blade has been altered on the width and won't come flush with the side, for example. The nicker on that one was a glaring irregularity. Many of the sellers on Ebay simply don't know what they have. Some may be scammers but most just found something and are trying to make a buck. If there aren't several bidders, people are seeing things you don't or the item isn't desirable.
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I wish I would have seen this before buying the $30 of extra parts otherwise I would have just marked it up as a loss. Now I'm thinking I may just have to mark it up as an even bigger loss and buy a Stanley. :wallbash:
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Loss..?
No loss at all...you still have a very nice plane still, you just paid for a lesson.
Now all you have to do is correct what is wrong or missing.
And then start making some shavings with it.
And don't be afraid of getting bit, everyone has...another lesson...
No loss at all...you still have a very nice plane still, you just paid for a lesson.
Now all you have to do is correct what is wrong or missing.
And then start making some shavings with it.
And don't be afraid of getting bit, everyone has...another lesson...
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That cutting wheel nicker is crazy. I wonder how well it works? At the very least, very creative of the user.
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Bet if he pulls it off it has a star recess and screw hole there, previous user probably did not want to buy another nicker or did not have internet yet...
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