New delta 36-725 13 amp contractor table saw

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geltz61

Discussion Starter · Jan 13, 2014

Anyone look over the new delta saw? They sell it at lowes. Looks pretty interesting.

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carverED

· #41 · Mar 12, 2014

dodgeboy77 said:
knotscott asked: <<Has anyone been able to actually make a trunnion adjustment on these saws to align the blade with the miter slots?>>

From the pictures, it looks like you need to loosen eight (Torx head?) bolts that might require some cussing to reach.

Bill

A poster on another forum said he was told they were set right on at the factory. His was off .004" from the miter slot. He said with a friend helping him they loosened the screws just enough to tap the trunnion over. He said do not loosen them a lot, just crack them enough to allow iit to move. He was able to get it within .001". For me I would have left it at the .004". I will be buying a Delta 36-725 soon, If I get one within .004" I'll be happy.
Ed

carverED

· #42 · Mar 13, 2014

kkalin78 said:
Looked at the saw today at my Lowes. Honestly I did not like it. Imho r4512 is better product. I was hoping that the fence will be better than on ridgid. Nope, I found that there are plastics pad for tuning same as on r4512, splitted rails and fence jump while moving that will affect fence alligment. So if I would have to buy a saw today I will go with ridgid for this price.

Which is better is a subjective thing. Some may think the R4512 is better. It might be if you get a good one. Mine is not. It has the blade shift issue, and is on Craigslist now for sale. I bought it in Oct 2013, never got to use it because of illness. This put me past Home Depots 90 day return policy. Ridgid will honor the warranty, but I must bring it to a service center which is 50 miles away. This saw is large when assembled and weighs 250 lbs. Not an option for me. Ask me if I think the Ridgid is better. A fellow on another forum said he returned 3 of them and never got a good one. I checked out 3 Delta's in 2 of my local Lowe's stores and the blades rose up and down straight as an arrow. Check on U-Tube and search Ridgid blade alignment, or Google it. There's loads of info about the issue. If you get a good one it is a nice saw. If you get a good one. My money will go with the Delta for this price, not for the Ridgid
Ed

Oakwerks

· #43 · Mar 13, 2014

Our Lowes finally got 2 Deltas, and they sit in the tool department still in boxes.... What good is that ??
All the throw-away saws are assembled and on display....
Home Depot doesn't even have a Ridgid.... You have to order it....

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kkalin78

· #44 · Mar 14, 2014

carverED said:
I bought it in Oct 2013, never got to use it because of illness
Ed

Well, how you can justify the product if you never use it, really? I don't think it's fair. I'm complete aware about blade alignment issues and I have it on my saw. But it's in acceptable range for price you paid. And I don't think Delta will do better there especially due to aluminum trunnion. Aluminum is too soft to hold stress with vibration for extended period of time. This is my thoughts why I still would go with ridgid or craftman in same price range.

ryan50hrl

· #45 · Mar 14, 2014

I wouldn't count out aluminum trunions, they're quite beefy if you look underneath it.....aluminum is much stronger than many give it credit for....if an aluminum engine block can hold 400+ hp in perfect alignment...I think it'll handle 1.5 just fine.

kkalin78

· #46 · Mar 14, 2014 (Edited)

carverED said:
I checked out 3 Delta's in 2 of my local Lowe's stores and the blades rose up and down straight as an arrow.
Ed

One more thing - I saw video and comments the blade becomes out of square when it's raised up on this delta. Check that thread before making final decision http://lumberjocks.com/replies/on/2711572 There are a lot information about the saw and it's pluses and minuses.

Also there is one more thread where a person described his experience with the saw - http://www.reddit.com/r/woodworking/comments/1w74hp/anyone_seen_or_used_the_new_new_delta_36725_in/ If he is right in his summary I don't see that Delta is better than Ridgid. May be even it's worse.

kkalin78

· #47 · Mar 14, 2014

ryan50hrl said:
I wouldn't count out aluminum trunions, they're quite beefy if you look underneath it.....aluminum is much stronger than many give it credit for....if an aluminum engine block can hold 400+ hp in perfect alignment...I think it'll handle 1.5 just fine.

May be I'm wrong. But I saw that can happen with aluminum after 5 years of usage in similar conditions like the saw has: vibration, stress and stretching. It cannot be compared with iron

knotscott

· #48 · Mar 14, 2014

kkalin78 said:
Well, how you can justify the product if you never use it, really? I don't think it's fair. I'm complete aware about blade alignment issues and I have it on my saw. But it's in acceptable range for price you paid. And I don't think Delta will do better there especially due to aluminum trunnion. Aluminum is too soft to hold stress with vibration for extended period of time. This is my thoughts why I still would go with ridgid or craftman in same price range.

Your R4512 may have been in an acceptable range, but I don't think Ed's was....

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kkalin78

· #49 · Mar 14, 2014 (Edited)

knotscott said:
Your R4512 may have been in an acceptable range, but I don't think Ed's was....

Please don't take me wrong. I'm not against Delta. I said my first glance opinion about the saw after I checked it at Lowes. He responded back negative about Ridgid although he didn't use the saw. I believe it's not fair and can create wrong opinion of others who reads his comment. (Although it's true for my comment also

I was also disappointed initially by issues with my R4512. If I remember correctly the back of a blade was out 1/16 inch when I assembled it. I spent a few hours to align and tune it properly. Now it works fine for even there is still blade alignment movements - 0.03-0.1mm. Two weeks ago I decided to recheck the alignment and it's still stay same as I left it 8 months ago. So I believe that R4512 had a major issue when it had first revision of trunnion but they fixed it. (My trunnion has stamped II on)

BTW, Talking about the production quality - My G0555LX was delivered completely in mess - without alignments and lose bolts. I had to recheck and tight the bolts, and do alignments and tune up according to manual. Was it disappointing - YES. Was it a reason to return it back - NO. It's still good saw even though someone didn't do good job at manufacture.

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carverED

· #50 · Mar 14, 2014

kkalin78 said:
Well, how you can justify the product if you never use it, really? I don't think it's fair. I'm complete aware about blade alignment issues and I have it on my saw. But it's in acceptable range for price you paid. And I don't think Delta will do better there especially due to aluminum trunnion. Aluminum is too soft to hold stress with vibration for extended period of time. This is my thoughts why I still would go with ridgid or craftman in same price range.

I can justify it very easily. It's not rocket science. First I can visibly see the blade shift from side to side when raised up and down. I didn't notice it when I first put it together. Second, I have the necessary tools to measure the shift. Upon measuring the shift with a dial indicator it measures .020"-.022". I don't know what kind of work you do, but for fine furniture or cabinet work to me this is not acceptable in any price range. There are saws on the market in this price range along with the Delta where the blade does not shift. I have not even gotten into the potential of the saw being dangerous in the event the blade shift is in the direction of the back of the blade being closer to the fence than the front of the blade. The leading cause of kickback. You accuse me of being unfair. The internet is loaded with threads and U-Tube videos addressing this issue. Ridgid is aware of the problem and will honor the warranty if you can return it to a service center. You say I am being unfair because I didn't find the problem after using the saw for a longer period. Do you find it fair that Ridgid has a product like this on the shelves? A fellow on another forum returned 3 of them to Home Depot and never got a good one. I have been very fair in my evaluation of the R4512. I have never failed to mention that many others have the saw and are happy with it. I never failed to mention that Ridgid will honor the warranty. I paid my hard earned money for a product, and because I was too ill to return it to Home Depot within their 90 day return policy, I am stuck with it. You should reevaluate your definition of fairness. I feel I got a lemon, and have every right to feel that way. How would you feel if it was your $560 that bought the saw? Come on now...., be fair.
regards
Ed

PS, if your worried about the aluminum in the Delta failing due to vibration, you best not fly on an airliner. Those things are made with all that crummy cheap aluminum.

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kkalin78

· #51 · Mar 14, 2014

carverED said:
I don't know what kind of work you do, but for fine furniture or cabinet work to me this is not acceptable in any price range. There are saws on the market in this price range along with the Delta where the blade does not shift.

Well, I'm also do furniture and cabinet work and see 0.03-0.1mm as acceptable blade shift for 500$ saw.

carverED said:
PS, if your worried about the aluminum in the Delta failing due to vibration, you best not fly on an airliner. Those things are made with all that crummy cheap aluminum.

Was expecting to see such response. Will not argue how airplane is different than table saw.

ryan50hrl

· #52 · Mar 14, 2014

Everyone pictures aluminum to be flimsy and cheap because of beer cans....but If you look into the industrial uses of aluminum, it's plenty strong to handle this stress....the lower control arms on my 6000 lb truck are aluminum....the heads that hold the cams and valves in much closer tolerances than a table saw will need to be are aluminum....and the stresses run for hundreds of millions of cycles without deforming.

Aluminum trunions would be the very least of my concerns on a new saw.

johnnie52

· #53 · Mar 14, 2014

While I completely agree that aluminum is plenty strong enough to handle most issues common to a table saw, I will never agree that the mating of an aluminum trunnion to a cast iron table top is a good idea.

There is a chemical process called galvanic corrosion that causes the aluminum to corrode over time and become brittle when it is bolted directly to anything other than more aluminum.

So, if you keep a saw for 5 years or more, the strength of the trunnion will be compromised and possibly break at the worse possible time.

Those control arms that ryan50hrl mentioned are mounted in rubber or synthetic bushings. They are not mounted directly to the steel frame. Freightliner trucks found this out the hard way in the 50's when their aluminum frames broke at the steel rear spring hangers after 5 years on the road. They replaced the direct contact between the different metals and their rigs have been fine ever since.

ryan50hrl

· #54 · Mar 14, 2014

But that frame in a truck was stressed repeatedly and at high percentages of its maximum capable load....trunnions while under a small amount of stress, at their mounting points are under very little comparatively. I suspect you could never create the type of force needed to break a trunion on a saw....even a 5 hp beast of a saw with just the saw blade itself for leverage.

The mounting points were at least 1x1 square.....do you know how much force it's going to take to break 4 of those? Or to even bend 4 of those?

As to the corrosive issue....metal only corrodes to it's breaking point when the base metal is repeatedly exposed to oxygen. On a truck frame, every washing, every bump knocking off corrosion, ect. exposed new metal to corrode. Once metal has been oxidized, it can not continue to oxidize till it disappears. Its why table saws aren't rusting in half. Unprotected cast iron gets surface rust, and then generally stops getting worse....same thing happens to aluminum....aluminum oxide forms and then that keeps the aluminum from continuing to oxidize. No oxygen....no corrosion

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BassBlaster

· #55 · Mar 14, 2014

Oakwerks said:
Our Lowes finally got 2 Deltas, and they sit in the tool department still in boxes.... What good is that ??

The one at my local Lowes is so poorly assembled that Delta will probably sell more of them if Lowes leaves them in the box.:thumbsup:

Oakwerks

· #56 · Mar 15, 2014

BassBlaster said:
The one at my local Lowes is so poorly assembled that Delta will probably sell more of them if Lowes leaves them in the box.:thumbsup:

Same with Sears.... Very poorly assembled... The wing on the right was so high it wouldn't allow the fence to slide over it....
The fence had a huge amount of slop on the rail...... I can't imagine anyone would consider one based on this example....

Sent to y'all offen' a iPad thing......

geltz61

Discussion Starter · #57 · Mar 15, 2014

carverED said:
A poster on another forum said he was told they were set right on at the factory. His was off .004" from the miter slot. He said with a friend helping him they loosened the screws just enough to tap the trunnion over. He said do not loosen them a lot, just crack them enough to allow iit to move. He was able to get it within .001". For me I would have left it at the .004". I will be buying a Delta 36-725 soon, If I get one within .004" I'll be happy. Ed

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There's another post on Lumberjocks where delta explained how to adjust the trunnions and the guy said it made it easy to adjust.

kkalin78

· #58 · Mar 15, 2014

ryan50hrl said:
...aluminum oxide forms and then that keeps the aluminum from continuing to oxidize. No oxygen....no corrosion

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everything is correct but you have missed one important point. Aluminium and iron has different potential thus there will be always small galvanic power at the place they are connected. This power will destroy a shield that is created by oxygen. So the corrosion will continues and continues and this is that I tried to say earlier. I saw how aluminium got destroyed after 5 years of usage in similar conditions. And vibration just speeds up the process.

But I think we are digging to much in details

the time will show how Delta is bad or good.

carverED

· #59 · Mar 15, 2014

beating

kkalin78 said:
But I think we are digging to much in details the time will show how Delta is bad or good.

Yeah I guess we're all beating a dead horse. :laughing: Best we can do is make choices on what we feel is right for ourselves, and let the chips fall where they fall. :smile:
regards
Ed

ryan50hrl

· #60 · Mar 15, 2014

Virtually all saws have both aluminum and steel parts.....i've never seen one break due to corrosion. Heck....many of the craftsman and ridgid saws have a motor with aluminum end caps and a steel body......you don't see the motor breaking in half....

I think your right though.....we're beating a dead horse here......

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