Hey D_p, are you still plumbing?...If you are you are not any dumber than this plumber. (3rd generation master plumber here) I got bit by the wood bug and gave up all the "fun" of crawlspaces, frozen pipes, sewers and grease traps. Don't quit your day job and make sure you wipe your hands on your pant leg before eating lunch :laughing:. Welcome, sorry to not even let you introduce yourself before I started giving you a hard time. Show us what you are working on when you get a chance.