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That fence was offered on the Emerson saws at the tail end of their craftsman run. Most ridgids also came with it.
i have the same fence on my gray ridgid ts2412. holds it's settings and is rock solid once adjusted properly and locked down.

i would go with a new ridgid 4512. thats what i'm upgrading to when i get into my new house.

its $549 i think and has some great features like switching to 220, 36" wide extension, an aftermarket drop in for use with a router, great fence too.
the 4512 is a nice saw, as long as a unit without the "blade/miter slot alignment changing with blade elevation issue" is located. and what is "an aftermarket drop in for use with a router" ?

It looks a lot like the fence on my Ridgid 2400 which is horrible! Maybe they've been redesigned, but mine is off nearly 3/16" from front to back consistently. It's the whole reason I'm looking for a new saw.
the 2400 is a job site saw and it's fence system is different from the one of the linked c-man.

I had a Craftsman contractor saw from the 80's that had a crappy fence. I picked up a Vega for a couple of hundred, and it's been great.

That Powermatic should be a really good saw. Looks like a 66. If I were closer I would jump on it!
the less than optimal fence system on older c-man 113s is quite different from the one on the c-man KS linked. the fence on the linked c-man, although not a t square like a bies or a delta t2, is nonetheless a first rate and eminently usable fence.
 

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QUOTE=gideon;504752]the newer fences are great on the ridgids. love the one on my folding saw.[/QUOTE]

That good to know! I couldn't get over to look at/pick up the Craftsman or the DeWalt - just too much to do before vacation and I'm sure they'll be gone when I get back. But in the lat week my air compressor crapped the bed and I picked up a big enough job to justify a planer and a joiner (woohoo!). But with the budget only slightly increasing, I'm going to go with a solid contractors saw and upgrade it in the future.

Thanks again for all your help guys, it's been invaluable info.
 

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i have the same fence on my gray ridgid ts2412. holds it's settings and is rock solid once adjusted properly and locked down.



the 4512 is a nice saw, as long as a unit without the "blade/miter slot alignment changing with blade elevation issue" is located. and what is "an aftermarket drop in for use with a router" ?



the 2400 is a job site saw and it's fence system is different from the one of the linked c-man.



the less than optimal fence system on older c-man 113s is quite different from the one on the c-man KS linked. the fence on the linked c-man, although not a t square like a bies or a delta t2, is nonetheless a first rate and eminently usable fence.
you extend the right table out and theres an extra table that fits in the gap which accommodates a router for use with the ts fence.
 

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So I went with a new Rigid 4512.

I've got a friend who is an assistant mgr. at a local HD and he gave me "discount" - he matched a non existent Harbor Freight coupon for $50.00 :) So for just over $500.00 I went with the new saw with w/warrantee and support over a used one. I kept getting nervous that the used saws I was looking at had been worn out or misused and I don't have the experience to tell for sure.

The 4512 is plenty of saw for what I'm doing and if I need to I can always upgrade. I like that can add cast iron wings and there is room for a drop in router table (I don't have room for a full a dedicated RT).

So thanks to everyone for the knowledge and tips, it made my decision much easier.
 

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Screw;512327...I've got a friend who is an assistant mgr. at a local HD and he gave me "discount" - he matched a non existent Harbor Freight coupon for $50.00 :) So for just over $500.00 I went with the new saw with w/warrantee and support over a used one........ [/QUOTE said:
wow, the list price for the 4512 in my market is $500 @ HD. applying a 20% HF coupon gets the pre tax price to $400. what's the 4512's list price in your market?
 

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Its 529.00 here (and on the website)
boy, that stinks. here in the NYC metro area, it's still $499, or $400 after a HF 20% coupon. where are you located? i guess saving a little over 5% is better than saving nothing at all.

while i personally like the 4512, the first thing i'd do is check it's blade to miter slot alignment with the blade @ 1" elevation and then at 3" elevation. some saws seem to vary their miter slot alignment as the blade's elevation changes. not a good thing and, from many reports, there's no field remedy. if yours has that condition, return it for another one. once one is located without that issue, it is reportedly a good TS offering a lot of value.

congrats on the buy.
 

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where are you located?

...check it's blade to miter slot alignment with the blade @ 1" elevation and then at 3" elevation. some saws seem to vary their miter slot alignment as the blade's elevation changes. not a good thing ...
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I'm just outside of Boston, I'm surprised there is a difference in price at all, let alone only being 300 miles apart. This may be the first time ANYTHING has been cheaper in NY :)

The miter issue does kind of concern me, but I'm not sure I even know exactly what you mean. How would I check it? I've just checked a bunch of measurements with my square and I'm not finding any noticeable differences at any height.
 
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