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Woodworkers Everywhere: Please help us. My husband's woodworking shop burned to the ground on Thursday night, Sept. 20. We do not have insurance. It is a long story... We are desperately in need of machinery and tools of all kinds. A couple of table saws have been donated to us; but we desperately need a wide belt sander and so many other pieces of equipment. We are a relatively small woodworking business in New Mexico consisting of my husband, my son and three other employees. This is all we know and we must hang on somehow. Please, please, if any of you know of tools and equipment that may be available to us, let me know by email as soon as possible. You can view our website, www.pioneerwoodworkers.com to see that we are capable and industrious people. Thank you very much. God bless you all. Lora Chandler
 

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Oh dear, I am so sorry to hear of your plight. Someone else here recently had their home burnt to the ground. Not sure what is worst. At least your home can be rebuilt although heart breaking. Your business is another matter. I hope you pull through OK.

Illustrates just how important to have proper fire fighting extinguishers to hand and also insurance.
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Lora - please let me know where you are. We are in Albq/Rio Rancho and may be able to help. please contact me directly at [email protected].

I am heartbroken for you.

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OK, so I'll be the crusty ole curmudgeon.

Is it at all possible that (this being the first post of a NEWLY registered member) this is just another form of the shell game? In direct language, a scam. If this is for real, I am very sorry for your misfortune. I'm just sayin.......................

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No Ed, it's not a scam. This lady and her husband are (former) customers of David's employer (long story as to why not, but it's not important). David knows them, knows their work, and has talked to Joe twice today. Their shop was hit by lightening last Thursday night and just about everything went up in flames. This is a fellow woodworker asking for help---and he's getting it from this quarter. We happen to have a 6x89 edge sander that we don't need any more--and the guys son is coming by tonight to pick it up. Joe has already placed an order with WWS for some replacement parts/tools, and with his credit line at WWS, I seriously doubt that he's needing to scam anyone.

I'm sorry that you seem to see the negative of things, rather than the positive.

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I stand corrected and extend my apologies.

Have just seen too much of this kind of thing to not remain on guard.
Best wishes.

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This is a fellow woodworker asking for help---and he's getting it from this quarter.

It's the coming together to help another human being. Many years ago my shop was smack in the walking distance of many shops. Some of us became friendly. You would think that there would be heated jealously and competition. A few of them unfortunately were that way. One of the group had a bad accident in his shop, and physically could not work. He had a wife and two young kids. A few of us got together and offered to finish up for free whatever work he had going. Acts of kindness are never forgotten.
 

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Lora, I am sorry to hear for your loss. Maybe you could post a list of things you need and if someone sees something they can spare then they can send it if they want.

Insurance ought to be high on your priority list now eh? I learned the hard way too. I had over $10,000 in power tools stolen and had no insurance to cover it either. A comparatively small loss I know. You will recover from this and it will be even better than before I bet.

In edp's defense, it was entirely appropriate to have raised the possibility of this having been a scam. These types of things are prolific on and off the internet, and he did not have the advantage of knowing them. I applaud his willingness to raise the question. He did not accuse he simply posed a legitimate question.

Now Lora post that list please and include small items you need as well as big. I cannot promise i have anything to donate but if I do I will be happy to help.
 

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Alas, I cannot spare anything but my deepest heartfelt sympathies.
I wish you the quickest of recoveries.

Cheers...Geoff.:thumbsup:
 

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Nancy. Since you no these folks, what can we do to help?
Don't really have any spare tools but might be able to help in other ways.
Hubby and I are in process of opening an account for them at the bank, and I will post particulars as soon as I have them.

Thanks, everyone for your concern.

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This is the complete text of an e-mail I got from Lora Chandler this morning. I think this explains everything.

"Below is a post I placed on Woodweb yesterday after getting some emails about why we didn't have insurance and also some negative comments about whether we should even try to rebuild since we probably don't know how to run a business anyway. I know I don't have to answer things like that, but I thought your friends on the forums you have contacted might have similar questions. If you would like to post this message from me on the forums you are a member of, please do. It's up to you. Here it is:

Our fire was caused by lightning. We had two direct hits between our office area and the paint booth. We don't know exactly how it began. We only know the hits must have exploded something very close to flammable material because the fire traveled very very fast. The fire departments in our entire county responded within 5 minutes, but all they could do was control the burn. I know you are all wondering about why we didn't have insurance and how stupid we must be to let that happen. But, I can only tell you that for twenty years, we had insurance and never had a claim. Last February, Joe had to have surgery and before he left the hospital ten days later, he had four surgeries due to complications from the first one. It has been a long and very difficult recovery. He is doing better, but this situation came on the heels of one of our major customers telling us they were moving their furniture interests and purchasing to China and would no longer be buying furniture from us. This was a blow to our sales that we are still in the process of trying to overcome. Our expenses were still high while our income was suddenly/immediately significantly lower. Our ability to keep our cash flow stable during this past year has been nonexistent. We had to lay off some employees and reduce our spending to the bare bones and that included insurance for which the premiums were too high to pay and we couldn't borrow the money. We prayed we wouldn't have a fire and we have been so careful to observe safety measures in order to prevent the possibility of a fire; but our prayers were not answered and a fire occurred through no mistakes or fault of our own. There is so much more to this story, but I don't have the energy to tell it all. We are living with chaos and it will be that way until cleanup is finished. We are trying to go forward, trying to find hope and each person who encourages us with a kind word, a prayer, or five dollars is an angel in my opinion. Thank you to all who have posted concern. We are deeply grateful. Joe and Lora Chandler; Chad and Shannon Chandler; and all employees of Pioneer Woodworkers, Inc. Portales, NM"

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Well that says it all. At least here in the UK, unless you go private, all healthcare is free. An operation will cost you no more than loss of your time. However, at moment the National Health Service is under such pressure that cracks are appearing and we have a huge problem with post operative infections.

Immigration is causing problems in housing, health and education.
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With all due respect that does not say it all. Taxpayers in socialist countries pay gobs in health care costs in the form of taxes up front, whether you ever need it or not.

Our sustem is not perfect but I will keep it over big brothu taking any more of my money in taxes than he already does. We already voted for the liberty to choose our own health care system so to speak, roughly 230 years ago. :shifty: We told ol George where to go now we got to fight the domestic enemies to keep from losing what little freedoms we have left.

i don't wanna drag this too far off though. My point is Lora and her family will be taken care of you wait an see. Her friends, and family, and church, and strangers on woodworing forums will help them recover as they help themsleves. We don't need, or want, big government to tell us we can't survive without it. Bad government! Bad government! You go to your room and count your capital ships and leave us sovereign citizens alone!

Well, once upon a time anyway. :glare:
 

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Hi, all,

We have now set up a donation account for Joe and Lora, and here's the information:

First Community Bank - Portales, NM
Joe or Lora Chandler Donation Account
Account #0003246051
Bank Routing #107001452

Any help you can give these folks will be appreciated.

Thank you all.

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Come on folks, these people are in need.
We need to all help out where we can.
I pray that all who are able will.:thumbsup:
 

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Sorry Texas, did not wish to cause any offence, just that In UK healthcare costs will not devastate you. Agreed that US insurance based system is far superior for average person. Those without insurance or too old are ones who may suffer.

Trouble with our systems are that too many are taking and not enough giving, particularly as population ages.

regards and I just know all will turn out OK for the fire victims, thanks to good friends like you.
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No offense was taken john. I get on my soapbox with big government in general. please pardon my rant.

Bottom line is we peons all gotta stick together and help each other out when the chips are down. You and me are in the same boat when it gets right down to it, just in a different ocean. ;)
 

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I'm bumping this again for the sake of those who might not have seen it first time around. Joe and Lora are slowing getting things cleaned up and have found another building to use temporarily until they can rebuild their shop. David and I are going to Portales this weekend to help with what we can, take some stuff Joe ordered from the store, and provide some moral support.

Thank you all for your help.

Nancy (80 days)
 
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