OK, I answered my own question, it won't fit. I finally found the dimension on the Grizzly filter, it's 14-1/2" the HF needs a 17" dia. I ordered the Wynn filter. I'll share my experience installing it after it gets here.

Thanks

 

Please do - I'm going through this painful process as well

Those canisters are so darn expensive

 

Even if you could find one that would fit I wouldn't do it. There is so much volume of air going through that dust collector a canister filter would plug up in minutes. Even the cloth bag needs a little cleaning from time to time. I usually smack the bag with a stick when the unit is powering down.

 

Steve, some of us have shops inside the house, so better filtering is important for us. It's true that they flow so much air they can clog quicker. That's why soon many people add a pre-separator of some type.

I've added the Wynn and the Thein baffle. For my purposes, it's a huge improvement over the felt bag.

 

Interesting. I need to research the threads on DC systems, particularly the HF one. Budget doesn't allow anything more expensive. Next, all I need to do is find a place to put it. Maybe I can arrange some things in the basement and run piping into the shop.

 

A few months ago Wood magazine did tests on DC's the ones that had the filters (I think it was Jet and Powermatic) did a worse job of filtering the air than the bags did, at least they let out bigger particles then the bags

 

Catpower:

Would you share the reference (Issue Month, Year & page#) for the Wood Magazine article you are referring to?

Thanks,
Eric

 

I searched and found this:
https://www.woodmagazine.com/workshop/dust-collection?page=1

http://forums.finewoodworking.com/f...ing.com/fine-woodworking-knots/power-tools-and-machinery/dust-collector-reviews

https://www.woodmagazine.com/review/dust-collection/dust-collectors/grizzly-dust-collector

http://www.finewoodworking.com/2012/12/17/all-about-dust-collection


I subscribe to Wood magazine and I'll see if I can find that issue. It would not seem possible that a bag is better than a cannister, except that after it gets a coating of fine dust it may filter better ... I donno? The issue I see is one of air flow. The filtered air has to "escape" and with greater filtering area, a cannister would seem more efficient.

 

Thanks Woodnthings, but I would like to see the specific reference for the bag being a better particle filter than the canister. My last few years of dust collection experience and research tell me that reference is not correct. Of course....it could also be the article reader that is not understanding....

If you find the reference, please let me know where it is. I would like to check it myself.

Thanks again,
Eric

 

I've had my HF DC for several years now and it has the Wynn filter too. I 'm just a retired at-home woodworker, like most of us, but do several furniture making project a year, so the DC and filter get plenty of use. My DC is connected via blast gates to my TS, planer, jointer, miter saw and router table..lotsa dust from all.

I generally blow our my cartridge filter a few time a year. Found the easiest method is to take it outside, and using a rubber mallet, I smack the steel support frame a few time to loosen the dust, then I take my electric leaf blower and blast it..inside and out. Stand back and wear a dust mask cause you will be engulfed in a cloud.

But after a few minutes of blowing and tappin'...it's pretty clean. I sent an email to Wynn (several months ago) and asked for tips and trick to clean the filter, but they never replied.

Works for me...good luck. Hope this helps

Johnnie

 

I got the 35B filter so that I could remove the top for cleaning without having to remove the filter from the HF unit. It costs $17 more but it's worth the tiny extra cost to not have to remove the filter. Once a week or so, depending on what I have been doing in the shop, I use compressed air and blow from the outside in to clean the filter and it makes a huge difference. Once a month, maybe every 6 weeks, I'll remove the top and use my shop vac to suck the dust off the Wynn filter material after I have blown the majority of it off with compressed air from the outside and the dust settles inside the unit.

My main reason for getting the Wynn 0.5 micron filter is that the standard 5 micron HF bag is simply not enough filtration. The HF bag was leaving a fine layer of dust on everything around the unit and probably all over the shop. With the bag I had to clean the filters on the mini-split unit every week. When I changed to the Wynn filter I still check the mini-split filters weekly but I only need to clean them once a month, maybe once every 6 weeks. That tells me that the Wynn filter is doing its job. And there's no residual dust anywhere in the shop.

David

 

The reference is to Wood magazine July 2017 (sorry no free link to that article). Using a Dylos and sanding MDF panels they tested 8 Units 5 bag and 3 canister DCs. All the bag units outperformed the Jet and Powermatic canister units (which were rated fair). The winner was the Jet 5M bag followed by the General International canister. All the other bag units were in between (most of which were rated excellent). Most of the discussion about this that I have seen, seems contrary to what would be expected.

Where the tests fall short is when they acknowledged all the machines had leaks, they could not see but could feel. So they used silicone, duct tape and foam to seal the leaks. What this tells me, as with any DC system, performance is only as good as the sealing of the system. Shame on the manufacturers for allowing such wide variations occur in build quality to have a good filtration system spew dust through cracks from poor designs. Part of the problem is they are working backwards on the design. Adapting a 20+ year old DC blower design and adding current day fine filtration without better sealing and or connection methods or surfaces.

So in this case they are measuring >0.5 micron (smaller than all filters) and have you believe that a Jet 5 micron bag will outperform every other bag or canister that is 1-2.5 micron. So there are two conclusions I came up with. That a Jet 5 micron bag and the GI 1 micron canister (both performed similarly) can filter 8x more small particulate than the Jet/PM 2 micron canister (both performed the worst). Or the test method was highly unscientific and is not repeatable assembling and testing the same units again.

What the article did show that was interesting, was how a standard single stage DC with 4" flex performs with a clean (seasoned) and dirty filter - or for many, typical use. Only the Shop fox produced over 400CFM with a clean filter, and only the JET/PM canister units produced over 300CFM after sanding 76sq ft of MDF. All others were in the mid 200 range with the GI at 176CFM. So most of the 1.5HP 1100CFM+ DCs with a seasoned, clean filter and a 4" flex hose, typically only pull mid 300 CFM.


For Wood magazine, these are difficult tests (with such poor designs) and can only do so much. I appreciate what tests they do, but have to add some real world understanding into the mix as well.

Hope that helps.

Carl

 

Thanks for posting Carl, I have been pretty busy the last few days

And yes there were some questionable methods and data in the article, also some questionable data published by various manufacturers too, Grizzly uses the same impeller for it's 1 1/2,2, and 3 hp DC's but claims different CFMs for all of them, a 12 3/4 inch impeller spinning 3450 PRM doesn't care if a 1 1/2,2, or 3 HP motor is spinning it in the same volute, the CFM will be the same

 

One other thing, the length of the blade or paddle will change the static the fan will produce the width of it will change the CFM it will move

 

OK, I received and installed? the Wynn 35BA222NANO cartridge filter for my Harbor Freight 2HP Dust Collector.

I see no conceivable way, using the parts supplied to hold the filter cartridge to the HF Dust Collector body. The instructions provided by Wynn make no sense and even if they were doable wouldn't provide any mounting capability.

Has anyone here installed the Wynn cartridge filter on the current production of HF DC? Does the filter just stay in place due to gravity?

The "5 micron" dust bag included with the DC passes a lot of dust, much larger than 5 micron, and I needed to get rid of it. Even if CFM decreases, I hope the higher filter efficiency will help get rid of dust in the air in my shop.

 

OK, I received and installed? the Wynn 35BA222NANO cartridge filter for my Harbor Freight 2HP Dust Collector.

I see no conceivable way, using the parts supplied to hold the filter cartridge to the HF Dust Collector body. The instructions provided by Wynn make no sense and even if they were doable wouldn't provide any mounting capability.

Has anyone here installed the Wynn cartridge filter on the current production of HF DC? Does the filter just stay in place due to gravity?.

Here is a great youtube video on creating a "convertor" between your filter and DC.

Eric

 

Woodnthings:

Thanks for posting that. Yes, I have a nice new system, but the principles are the same. I can add more HP (2hp) and a larger impeller (14.5"), but I still have to make sure there are no leaks, that airflow friction is as small a possible and that my canister filter is seasoned...

Here is a quote from a review that I will be posting soon.

"Particle Count: I have a Dylos particle counter in my shop. If I am in the shop, the Dylos is on. The Dylos measures the number of large particles (2.5 microns and larger) and small particles (0.5 to 2.5 microns) in the air. I have owned it for about three (3) years. I have noticed that the small particle count is quite a bit higher with the Grizzly G0440 than it was with the Jet DC-1100. At first, I was a little disappointed, but then I remembered that I had been using the Jet for four (4) years prior to getting the Dylos. The Jet canister had four (4) years to "season". A filter canister actually will become a better filter with age ("seasoning"), because the small fine particles will fill in the filter canister holes and keep them from being blown into the air outside the filter. I have emptied the sawdust collection container three (3) times since I have owned it. With each emptying of the container, I find that the particle count goes down.

Now, a little more information that I found out by accident the other day. I wasn't paying attention to my collection bin, while I was surface planing and I let the bin overfill. The plastic bag at the bottom of the filter was about 2/3 full, before I realized what I had done. After some "negative talk" to myself, I spent the next 30 minutes cleaning up. I had to clean the filter a couple of times and empty the bag twice. Here is the interesting part: the rest of the day, the Dylos readings were much lower than before the overflow!

So, a good way to season your filter is to let your collection bin overflow."

Eric

 

What Sanchez said. Couldn’t have been easier.


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You're welcome, glad we could help. Thanks for the update!

 

How do you mount the win filter to the HF collector?

 

Using the Grizzly replacment cannister filter

You can build an adapter ring that will make it work. If you or any of your friends is handy with composite materials it is a doable task. I made mine in a day. I went from a Delta bag to the Grizzly. I also modified the suction side and use an Onieda Tornado. That one also required a custom adapter. After a month of searching, I though (I do this work everyday so WHY am I not making my own adapter!!!).

The Grizzly cannister filters:
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Gr...BRBTEiwAfpiD-0wkGu-_Lo7961uzIvxND1sDb0ZZEvPtIVC7jvJq-vUthoIarCPNCBoCB28QAvD_BwE


I made my own "adaptor" for the cardboard 30 gal drums I used to replace the plastic catch bags. The Dust Dog filters fit onto the Jet separator without modification, but the Wynn filters may not fit directly. Maybe this approach would work?






I used two feeding pans from TSC and cut the rims off, inverted one and stacked them together, then taped them together and lined the inside grooves with 1/2" grey foam insulation tape for the seal. I used bungee cords to hold down the cannisters to the mobile base.

 

You can build an adapter ring that will make it work. If you or any of your friends is handy with composite materials it is a doable task. I made mine in a day. I went from a Delta bag to the Grizzly. I also modified the suction side and use an Onieda Tornado. That one also required a custom adapter. After a month of searching, I though (I do this work everyday so WHY am I not making my own adapter!!!).

 

There are spring clips that go from the inside of the Winn filter to the inside of the harbor freight housing.