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I have the dolly from harbor freight...so I measured it. (shown without casters) You can work out your thoughts from this. The measurements are with carpet removed and are accurate.
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Yup. Take a Harbor Freight carpet dolly. Hang a couple blocks underneath. Hang a "platform" from the blocks. Done.

The platform can be wider than the blocks, but must avoid the caster "swivel zone".

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Nearest Harbor Freight to me is a 20 minute ride by car. My scooter won't go that far. Should have bought the better batteries for her. Anyway can order what I need on line. I know you guys will be curious to see how this pans out and I promise I will let you know. Thank you all for your time and input!
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Before you buy anything .....

Please answer my question posted above:


Can you back the scooter into the doorway easier than pulling it in, which requires sliding it sideways? IF YES, no need to buy anything!


This is why parallel parking a car is the approved method rather than pulling into the parking space. You just can't do it if the vehicle is very long and the space is limited. If you will forgive the term....it's all about the "rear end" and getting it into position by using the steering wheel(s) at the front. The very same thing applies to your scooter. Don't make me fly over there are give you driving lessons.....

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)

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My wheel jack arrived

The wheel jack I recommended above came today and it's a beast! I was correct in thinking how it worked by moving the rollers together horizontally, rather than lifting them vertically, so it wouldn't work for this application as a "no modification" solution.



In addition, I have asked a question of the OP two times now, with no response. This answer to this question may negate all mechanical solutions to the issue, but we have no answer thus far..... see the post above.
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Actually, I did reply! But it didn't go thru.Which I now just noticed. I know I clicked on submit when I finished typing. I think I know what happened, I wasn't signed in. That last time I just answered your question and left the web site immediately because the phone was ringing. I remember it was a lengthy reply. I'll shorten it.

No, never went in frontwards because I figured getting it out with rear gong out first was naturally the way it would work for going in. But as soon as the weather is better I will try going in fontwards.

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which end is the "front" ...?

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Please answer my question posted above:

Can you back the scooter into the doorway easier than pulling it in, which requires sliding it sideways? IF YES, no need to buy anything!




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No, never went in frontwards because I figured getting it out with rear gong out first was naturally the way it would work for going in. But as soon as the weather is better I will try going in fontwards.



I asked if you had tried "backing it in" ..... large wheels first, steering wheel last. I never even used the word "frontwards".
So, you can see why I just might be totally confused ....

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Konjur1, I have been thinking about this for a while, and haven't forgot about your problem. I have drawn a sketch to illustrate what I think will work. It uses the harbor freight 12'x 18" dolly wheels. The wheels on that dolly would be removed from the dolly and mounted to a 3/4" plywood that is 38" in length. On top of the plywood you fasten 2"x 2"s for the guides and the stop. to use it...insert the plywood against the rear tires and push/drive on. As you pass the centerline of the first set of casters...the dolly will tip and set itself level on all 4 casters. The guide rails should be about 1/2" narrower than the width of the inside tire measurement to account for your added weight (tire bulge).

I used the harbor freight dolly for this because it is cheap, comes with the fasteners, has swivel castors, and will sit low enough for this to work.
If you provide me with the inside tire to tire measurments...I will provide you with a more detailed drawing.

There is one concern I have...that is are both rear tires drive wheels...or only one? I wouldn't want it to twist the dolly as it is powered up the ramp.

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I asked if you had tried "backing it in" ..... large wheels first, steering wheel last. I never even used the word "frontwards".
So, you can see why I just might be totally confused ....



I AM sorry, you only got confused because of my poor way of explaining things. I get confused all the time and frankly am pretty sick and tired of it. I was confused when I replied to you that last time. I thought about it, then said to myself, "wait a minute!" Then I got up, grabbed Lulu and went thru the entire motions of taking her in and out of the apartment but this time watching very carefully what I was doing. So sorry to say I was wrong about how I get her back into the apartment. I told you I never go in frontwards, meaning handlebar first... WRONG!!!! Making her go in handlebar first is the ONLY way I can get her into the apartment. Seems to me that I can't do it any other way. If I try to BACK her in, I can't squeeze pass the doorway (no room for me) to get to the back end to re-position it, the handlebar would be in my way, can't climb over it. But I CAN climb over the bucket to reach the handlebars when backing her OUT the apartment....constantly correcting where the front wheel is heading. By the way, just like the doorway itself is limiting room to maneuver...there is a WALL directly to the right in back of the door in my apartment. You can't see it because the opened door is blocking it. That wall falls away after about 6 feet. But there is just enough of it to create a narrow 6ft long hallway right there in back of the door inside my apartment. Then the hallway ends and opens up into this one large room. Again...curtails maneuverability. So I have little room to maneuver both INSIDE and OUTSIDE my apartment.

You know, you would think that in this day and age of constant new discoveries...somebody'd invented something that can slip under a tire (or back over it) so tires could easily be made to move sideways. There are a whole heckuva lot of seniors like me who are cramped into these stupid tiny efficiency apartments who would sure appreciate the product. Ever try to push a wheelchair sideways if you ain't in it? Where there's seniors there's likely to be rubber for Pete's sake. Seniors put tennis balls on the feet of walkers!! No one bothers to come up with better solutions for seniors. Somebody'd make a ton of money if they did. Right now, I'm mad at myself because for sure now I've confused you beyond repair!

What about a small rug? Just big enough to fit under the back wheels. Wouldn't it glide sideways with the weight of the trike on it to sort've drag it along? Or a towel?? ....sigh, I'm tired.

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Konjur1, I have been thinking about this for a while, and haven't forgot about your problem. I have drawn a sketch to illustrate what I think will work. It uses the harbor freight 12'x 18" dolly wheels. The wheels on that dolly would be removed from the dolly and mounted to a 3/4" plywood that is 38" in length. On top of the plywood you fasten 2"x 2"s for the guides and the stop. to use it...insert the plywood against the rear tires and push/drive on. As you pass the centerline of the first set of casters...the dolly will tip and set itself level on all 4 casters. The guide rails should be about 1/2" narrower than the width of the inside tire measurement to account for your added weight (tire bulge).

I used the harbor freight dolly for this because it is cheap, comes with the fasteners, has swivel castors, and will sit low enough for this to work.
If you provide me with the inside tire to tire measurments...I will provide you with a more detailed drawing.

There is one concern I have...that is are both rear tires drive wheels...or only one? I wouldn't want it to twist the dolly as it is powered up the ramp.

(photos: Left Loaded, Right Unloaded)
The inside measurement from wheel to wheel is 23" ...whether both back wheels are drive wheels or just the one?...I would say they are both drive wheels; she just feels like she has a lot of drive power behind her ...very strong get up and go. But tomorrow, I will look for her manual (I looked just now but can't find it) again, and I will let you know for sure, then.
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Ok, found my manual. Yup, I was right, both wheels are drive wheels.
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Konjur1, Here is the layout plans to make the tilting dolly for LuLu. The plans are based on the 12"x 18" 4 wheel dolly from harbor freight. You would remove the casters from the dolly...and since the bolts are the wrong length, you would need to buy 1/4"x 1-1/2" carriage bolts and nuts (Qty 16 of each). The plywood is 3/4"x 27"x 38". Fasten the casters to the bottom before you add the rails to the top. After the casters are mounted, you can add the rails to the top using 2" wood screws (screw from the bottom through the plywood into the rails). The rails are made from 2x2s (actual 1-1/2"x 1-1/2") 35" long (2 required), and the stop (also made from 2x2) is 27" long.
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Konjur1, If you decide to make the dolly...you can buy a plywood handy panel (4'x 4') at home depot or lowes and have them cut it to 27"x 38" for you. You may be able to have them cut the 2x2s to length also. Get your Kids involved...they owe you that much I'm sure.

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I AM sorry, you only got confused because of my poor way of explaining things. I get confused all the time and frankly am pretty sick and tired of it. I was confused when I replied to you that last time. I thought about it, then said to myself, "wait a minute!" Then I got up, grabbed Lulu and went thru the entire motions of taking her in and out of the apartment but this time watching very carefully what I was doing. So sorry to say I was wrong about how I get her back into the apartment. I told you I never go in frontwards, meaning handlebar first... WRONG!!!! Making her go in handlebar first is the ONLY way I can get her into the apartment. Seems to me that I can't do it any other way. If I try to BACK her in, I can't squeeze pass the doorway (no room for me) to get to the back end to re-position it, the handlebar would be in my way, can't climb over it. But I CAN climb over the bucket to reach the handlebars when backing her OUT the apartment....constantly correcting where the front wheel is heading. By the way, just like the doorway itself is limiting room to maneuver...there is a WALL directly to the right in back of the door in my apartment. You can't see it because the opened door is blocking it. That wall falls away after about 6 feet. But there is just enough of it to create a narrow 6ft long hallway right there in back of the door inside my apartment. Then the hallway ends and opens up into this one large room. Again...curtails maneuverability. So I have little room to maneuver both INSIDE and OUTSIDE my apartment.

You know, you would think that in this day and age of constant new discoveries...somebody'd invented something that can slip under a tire (or back over it) so tires could easily be made to move sideways. There are a whole heckuva lot of seniors like me who are cramped into these stupid tiny efficiency apartments who would sure appreciate the product. Ever try to push a wheelchair sideways if you ain't in it? Where there's seniors there's likely to be rubber for Pete's sake. Seniors put tennis balls on the feet of walkers!! No one bothers to come up with better solutions for seniors. Somebody'd make a ton of money if they did. Right now, I'm mad at myself because for sure now I've confused you beyond repair!

What about a small rug? Just big enough to fit under the back wheels. Wouldn't it glide sideways with the weight of the trike on it to sort've drag it along? Or a towel?? ....sigh, I'm tired.

They have them! Here's what they are, either for carpet or hard floors:
https://www.amazon.com/Furniture-Sli...ateway&sr=8-15

A 1/2" plywood piece that's 1" in from the doorway with a bevel on the front edge to make rolling it up easier without using "power" would work, since it would be very low off the ground.... no casters.


Your towel idea would be so easy to try,... Go For it using a beach towel since they are longer and have good nap? are thicker.. Some towels have rope handles sewn in which would work good.
https://www.amazon.com/Exfoliating-S...=beauty&sr=1-5



As to which way it "goes in" ...and I say this "in theory", since obviously, I'm not there:
I maintain that if you drive forward, past your doorway, open the door and then get behind it and pull it towards the opening is how I would start. You can continue to pull it into the doorway until that's no longer possible with the wheels turned hard left. The back end should now be started into the opening, and in far enough to get around the front and push it the rest of the way in...

Having worked with motorcycles and bicycles all my life, I know that handlebars can be rotated, shortened, replaced, reconfigured which may help with your width constraints. I don't know if that's a reasonable alternative for you?



The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)

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Oh nooooh, you guys are NOT going to believe this!!! Problem solved!!!!! Just for the heckuva it, I decided to try the "towel" thing to see if it would work, thinking there was no way in Hades it was going to. I grabbed this big old tired looking towel (really thick nap to it) and placed it just outside the doorway. When I got Lulu's back wheels on it, I took a deep breath and gave her a push sideways. To my stunned surprised she moved away from me like she was on air!!!!I CAN NOT believe it worked! I mean...is this a joke?? I've been racking my brains, and you guys have been racking yours, drawing up all sorts of possibilities only to be beat by an old under-the-sink, earmarked for rags, towel? Who was it that said something like "the answer was staring us in the face but that we just couldn't see it?" A-maz-ing...!!!

Well, I want to thank you guys for your work and efforts, and am so sorry for having taken up so much of your valuable time which I KNOW had to be considerable if you are anything like me; I don't give up on a problem till I solve it and will keep at it till I see the new day sun staring me in the face. That flippant remark I said when I suggested using a towel yesterday, was just that - an over the shoulder last minute sarcasm. I gave it no more thought than that. Goes to show you.

Gee, I kinda hate to say "goodbye" to you guys but I don't do much wood working no more, so guess I won't be back this way after this. Well, maybe a time or two just to see what you guys are up to. I really can't thank you enough, though. And I sincerely appreciated your unwavering patience with me, more than you know.

Most sincerely,
Goodbye, good life and good woodworkin'!!!

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The simple solution, reduce the friction ....

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A piece of 1/2" plywood with these "glider/slider" pads under the tires
to directly support the weight should work on a smooth surface in the hallway:
https://www.amazon.com/16-Pack-Reusa.../dp/B01N3573QD

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They have them! Here's what they are, either for carpet or hard floors:
https://www.amazon.com/Furniture-Sli...ateway&sr=8-15

A 1/2" plywood piece that's 1" in from the doorway with a bevel on the front edge to make rolling it up easier without using "power" would work, since it would be very low off the ground.... no casters.


Your towel idea would be so easy to try,... Go For it using a beach towel since they are longer and have good nap? are thicker.. Some towels have rope handles sewn in which would work good.
https://www.amazon.com/Exfoliating-S...=beauty&sr=1-5




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Oh nooooh, you guys are NOT going to believe this!!! Problem solved!!!!! Just for the heckuva it, I decided to try the "towel" thing to see if it would work, thinking there was no way in Hades it was going to. I grabbed this big old tired looking towel (really thick nap to it) and placed it just outside the doorway. When I got Lulu's back wheels on it, I took a deep breath and gave her a push sideways. To my stunned surprised she moved away from me like she was on air!!!!I CAN NOT believe it worked! I mean...is this a joke?? I've been racking my brains, and you guys have been racking yours, drawing up all sorts of possibilities only to be beat by an old under-the-sink, earmarked for rags, towel? Who was it that said something like "the answer was staring us in the face but that we just couldn't see it?" A-maz-ing...!!!

Well, I want to thank you guys for your work and efforts, and am so sorry for having taken up so much of your valuable time which I KNOW had to be considerable if you are anything like me; I don't give up on a problem till I solve it and will keep at it till I see the new day sun staring me in the face. That flippant remark I said when I suggested using a towel yesterday, was just that - an over the shoulder last minute sarcasm. I gave it no more thought than that. Goes to show you.

Gee, I kinda hate to say "goodbye" to you guys but I don't do much wood working no more, so guess I won't be back this way after this. Well, maybe a time or two just to see what you guys are up to. I really can't thank you enough, though. And I sincerely appreciated your unwavering patience with me, more than you know.

Most sincerely,
Goodbye, good life and good woodworkin'!!!

konjur

It really was just a simple solution afterall AND a folded towel is quite portable as well. Personally, I enjoyed the challenge and was glad to offer my suggestion! Good Luck and Best Wishes.

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