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Question Ideal length for tabletop in alcove

New kitchen features a curved seating alcove. Open dimension across is 74 inches across. I'm building a pedestal table to fit. What's the right length for the tabletop? People have to scoot into and out of the seating area.

Customer and I agree an oval table top will look right, but we're not sure how long it should be.
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welcome to the forum, Marvin.
I would suggest you make a cheap plywood prototype and have the customer
study it for awhile and let HIM make the decision. he and his family have to live with it.

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Are you using the bench seats to sit on? If so this means sliding around to the back side...

Think of it as restaurant seating.

Dig around you migaht find some specs. I'd actually have to go to work to get the specs. I don't wanna do that...lol
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I would go into some restaurants and see just how close to the edge of the seats that the edge of the table comes. Sit in them and see what distance is comfortable. I am sure that if you go into the restaurants at a time they are not busy and explain that they will be glad to help you.


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That's a great idea. I'll do that. Thanks.
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Thank you. I'll check that out. Much appreciated.
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Make a frame of scrap 1x . Lay the pieces on a pair of horses the height of the table. Use a few squeeze clamps to adjust and hold the strips together. I think you may find that 48" is about right. You do not need to fit the scrap pieces , just over lap and clamp.
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New kitchen features a curved seating alcove. Open dimension across is 74 inches across. I'm building a pedestal table to fit. What's the right length for the tabletop? People have to scoot into and out of the seating area.

Customer and I agree an oval table top will look right, but we're not sure how long it should be.
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Are you sure an oval looks right? Your seating is geometric, I think the table should follow the lines of the table, think about a person sitting at each of those positions, and how they would sit at the table, an oval is going to present challenges giving proper coverage. You could follow the seating shape, have the front edge flat with a fold up leaf for additional seating when needed.
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Are you sure an oval looks right? Your seating is geometric, I think the table should follow the lines of the table, think about a person sitting at each of those positions, and how they would sit at the table, an oval is going to present challenges giving proper coverage. You could follow the seating shape, have the front edge flat with a fold up leaf for additional seating when needed.
Customer agreed.....
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Thank you for that. Marvin
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Customer agreed.....
Customer and I agree...

Did the Customer agree because that was the only option presented?

An oval could work there, you would have to follow the seating shape, it would be an odd oval, and you end up with a lot of table sticking out of the seating area too if you want it symmetrical.

You've been in the business a long time, you know that the Customer isn't always right when it comes to design, sometimes they need some guidance.

I wouldn't do an oval table there, would you?

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Customer and I agree...

Did the Customer agree because that was the only option presented?

An oval could work there, you would have to follow the seating shape, it would be an odd oval, and you end up with a lot of table sticking out of the seating area too if you want it symmetrical.

You've been in the business a long time, you know that the Customer isn't always right when it comes to design, sometimes they need some guidance.

I wouldn't do an oval table there, would you?
The customer and the contractor agree.

What are you arguing with me about?

You tell a customer their wrong,that's your business..

The customers always right, unless their open for suggestions...

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Customer and I agree...

Did the Customer agree because that was the only option presented?

An oval could work there, you would have to follow the seating shape, it would be an odd oval, and you end up with a lot of table sticking out of the seating area too if you want it symmetrical.

You've been in the business a long time, you know that the Customer isn't always right when it comes to design, sometimes they need some guidance.

I wouldn't do an oval table there, would you?

I would not do a square or rectangular table there. I would make an "oval" that followed the shape of the seating.



A round table would stick out too far.





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I am surprised that nobody has mentioned a profiled table to fit the space.
I do not have sketchup but this is the best I can do for now in Win-Paint.
if the customer is open to this design, I would make a plywood prototype,
put it on some saw horses and let them walk around it for awhile and draw
their own alterations with Magic Markers from there.

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I am surprised that nobody has mentioned a profiled table to fit the space.
I do not have sketchup but this is the best I can do for now in Win-Paint.
if the customer is open to this design, I would make a plywood prototype,
put it on some saw horses and let them walk around it for awhile and draw
their own alterations with Magic Markers from there.

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That's close to what I was suggesting, I do like the rounded outer edge better than a flat edge.
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If you build the table to meet the the layout of the seats it will look out proportion. Making it oval doesn't highlight that....plus it sits slightly over the seats...
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We all have different perspectives and opinions.

Part of good design is that it repeats itself. There are angles there, what ever goes there needs to be complementary of them. If you put an oval there then they need to give it meaning, not just put an oval there. It can be done with something oval on the wall, an oval base, or oval pillows maybe.

Here is a pic of a similar seating arrangement with an octagonal table, works very well with the space and keeps the design consistent.

Also a pic of an oval table in an angled seating area, works but the proportions are different than the OP's situation, and it will be tight to slide around.
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