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post #41 of 44 Old 02-27-2018, 01:57 PM
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I too had this issue and my sw rep has told me three different things when it wrinkled up it was that i didnt catalyze the white vinyl sealer on the undercoating and that info was needlessly tossed to the wind as my problem after stripping the doors that had been affected to bare wood on the panels and styles if needed after i continued to fight the wrinklesl of the doors that had minimal amounts of wrinkling i thought i had them out the door only to have a call from the customer who had now waited about a month for us to correct it in the first place as they were out of the country when they tried to call and said the doors needed to again be corrected again and that they were blistering in the corners from the detail to the panel but not the styles after getting them from the customer i looked them over and called her again to be informed that it was my fault that it lifted as it didnt adhere because i had failed to clean the dust off appropriately which i found about as amusing as being raped by a group of skin heads. Now im out two strips on about 25 doors and drawer fronts now and after talking and thinking about it for a minute i came to the conclusion it must have been a bad batch or something as it didnt bond appropriately with what was now catalyzed white vinyl sealer and it lifted in spots up to an inch to 2 inches from the detail and the paenel even on the ones i had stripped, when i approached here i said i didnt strip them all the way done on some but it was only on ones that had like 1 to 2 inch wrinkles that i scraped and hit again and the doors looked great when i dropped them off but were attrocious now. after plugging this theory to my rep she once again has snubbed me and said that i must not have mixed the appropriate amount of the catalyst and that i was supposed to strip them before i event started to finsish them all to bare wood so that it would bond to the suvstrate from day one so again its my fault again the sds sheets said nothing nor did she about any if the items she had mentioned to me. These ass clowns cost me about 130 man hours now and she had told me nothing about any of this prior to the problems that occured nor did she offer anything to me to comp the labore for it other than 2 gals of each the vinyl sealer and then the varnish to correct it so now im out anothe 1700 in labor on top of the same amountin materials over the month trying to correct it in the first place along with an attitude from my rep to go with it. So know after all this im dropping the ****ty rep and store and ill order elsewhere also note that the backs and styles did not lift at all just the inside corners on a select abount of the m not all why is what i ask you why not all of them I asked here how we were going to take care of things and i have been kicked to the curb thanks jess for screwi ng me over and leaving me hi and dry
What were the products you used, numbers of the SW products? Also, tell me the finishing schedule you used and I will see if I can figure out what happened.

I can tell you that if you use a CV coating and you get wrinkling in it, that means that there was a softer coating underneath the CV. CV will not wrinkle on its own.

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Every different finish has it quirks. Even an experienced finisher can have major problems when using a new product they are unfamiliar with. They don't really put instructions on products anymore and if you go online you usually find more info to keep the manufacturer from being sued than how to use the product. You pretty much have to teach yourself to use the product and in the process it's common to have problems. I've gotten to where when I use a new product I will finish a piece of scrap first before attempting to use it on a product.
About 8 out of 10 times its user error and not the product itself, especially when it comes to catalyzed products.

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About 8 out of 10 times its user error and not the product itself, especially when it comes to catalyzed products.
A person should stick with a finish they know well and have mastered. Some of these guys use a different finish with each project. It's no wonder they have problems. It's enough to make anyone dizzy.
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A person should stick with a finish they know well and have mastered. Some of these guys use a different finish with each project. It's no wonder they have problems. It's enough to make anyone dizzy.
AMEN.

A product data sheet works wonders, but you still have to know how to finish using a data sheet. The PDS doesn't finish the piece for you!

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