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refinishing kitchen countertops

looking for product recomendations.
ive seen it done base coat- granite specs-then clear coat. ive done similar type coatings with fleck, zolatones, but i need something for food and heat.

mr. know it all looking for advice, lol
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looking for product recomendations.
ive seen it done base coat- granite specs-then clear coat. ive done similar type coatings with fleck, zolatones, but i need something for food and heat.

mr. know it all looking for advice, lol

What is the existing material you want to refinish?












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If the existing countertop is a high pressure laminate (HPL) like Formica, it can be scuff sanded and a new laminate glued right on top.

Or, it can be removed, and the substrate prepped for a new piece to be laminated.

If it is a working countertop, like for a kitchen or vanity, I would not recommend painting it.

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ok maybe refinish is not the right term, reglaze . its like reglazing a bathtub.
this is for an apt complex, that want a new coating instead of replacing. ( you know how cheap they can be )
with the stock rounded lip on the front of the counter would make it hard to imposible to re laminate.
i know how to do this process im just looking for the material.
for the record i dont like tub reglazing or for counters, at some point in time they will start pealing and or ware off, but like i said this is the standerd for apts. i would emagine i could use a zolatone over a color primer but need a top coat that will be food aproved and stand up to water and heat. if they were mine i would just replace with better product than formica.
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Jack a simple search turned up this but if it's what your looking for or good is up to you. I know I've seen it done on shows and it looks good on tv but I have my doubts.
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Jack a simple search turned up this but if it's what your looking for or good is up to you. I know I've seen it done on shows and it looks good on tv but I have my doubts.

I have my doubts too. But take a chance and give it a try. It's only time and money.










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Let me toss something out here.

It all depends upon the size and configuration...

The BORG offers HPL counter tops, prefab. The last time that I looked they had a large variety of lengths and some right angles. If you can get underneath and remove the holding hardware, it may be quicker to just pull out the old and install new.

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Let me toss something out here.

It all depends upon the size and configuration...

The BORG offers HPL counter tops, prefab. The last time that I looked they had a large variety of lengths and some right angles. If you can get underneath and remove the holding hardware, it may be quicker to just pull out the old and install new.

The countertops that the home centers sell with the rounded front edge (like the OP described) are post formed tops made with a particleboard substrate. Not the best to put money into, especially around any moisture.










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as far as i know most if not all formica counters are pb under the lam.

they seem to think its cheaper to coat them, thats a apt complex for ya. its quite common.
this paticular unit has sink and bar in one top so its not your standerd formica to you can go down a get at home depot. i think if you had to change out the counters ever or every other tenent that would get expensive.

im thinkin maybe auto top coat over zolatone, but idont think thats food aproved
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The countertops that the home centers sell with the rounded front edge (like the OP described) are post formed tops made with a particleboard substrate. Not the best to put money into, especially around any moisture.
Key Words

"Apartments"

"you know how cheap they can be "

From a labor and materials perspective, it still may be the most profitable option for Jack.

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"you know how cheap they can be "

From a labor and materials perspective, it still may be the most profitable option for Jack.

From a labor and materials aspect it may not be the best way. By the time you prep a jobsite countertop and do an application, you have time and cost of materials. Some of those coatings are very expensive.

Taking it a step further, there will be a cure time, and while they may be food safe when cured, they may not be scratch proof or peel proof. Call backs for what may seemingly be a cheap fix coating could cost our friend Jack quite a bit.

For the cost and time for the coating, there are plenty of laminates that have some interesting patterns. Non sink areas could use substrates other than plywood. If Jack isn't proficient at doing laminated tops, he would be very shortly.

My thoughts in the end would be to replace the tops. I'm also thinkin' that using some coating, the sink would still have to be pulled, so, considering that, there's not much left.










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replacing it is not a problem. both replacing and re coating will take about the same amount of time. ( less than a day to a day ).
ive seen these guys do two units a day. the problem is the finished product. they dont sand in between granite texture and top coat and sometimes feels like 50g sand paper. there un even with tex spray and top coat. although its not a perfect finish it can be touched up without stripping or completely re doing. i guess in the long run they think there saving money. this could be a 300 to 600 dolor weekly account. if they want to keep paying me to come back and fix after every tenent so be it.
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Better off to swap out the countertops, IMHO.
By the time you prep, prime, coat, etc. it won't be a big difference in cost.

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From a labor and materials aspect ...... ....... ......there's not much left.
Whatever

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be nice boys.
the materials for spraying are around 150-180 and that will do about 2-3 jobs.
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With all of the good looking and cheap counter tops available I would just replace. That is what I did in a rental condo I own.

Easy job for a DIYer to do.

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