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post #21 of 27 Old 11-09-2014, 12:39 PM
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Cool, Thanks.

As a side note this is in a hunting cabin. One of the members of the hunting club that uses this cabin is affiliated with Sherwin Williams. Not sure what he does or where he works or even his name, lol, but he was very impressed with the look and finish.
As long as he is impressed, sometimes thats all that matters.
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I use SHER-WOOD Vinyl Basecoats (P63 series line) instead of enamels. They have a long line of colors and I can use these to match any color or any swatch I need to match and use it as a basecoat. I also add a sealer to my mix at 35% and they then act just like a lacquer basecoat. Vinyl also has excellent adhesion properties.

You can also reduce these vinyls with thinner to make toners, Spray
Stains and Pigmented/Dye Stains. I have used these to make dye stains and customers cant tell the difference between them and U dye stains.
What are the Valspar equivalents?

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What are the Valspar equivalents?

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THEY HAVE NO EQUIVALENT !!!! LOL, wericha, that was just wrong!!!

PS.....I have no idea, and dont care if they do or not HAHA!
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The problem with putting lacquer over oil based paints is lacquer contains acetone which is too hot of a solvent for oil based paints. Lacquer works by melting into consecutive coats like shellac and when lacquer tries to melt into oil base paint it gets under it and lifts the finish as though you put paint and varnish remover on it. Oil based paints use a mechanical bond where they bond to the surface rather than melting in.

I haven't used a lot of Valspar finishes, mostly because I rarely see them in the store. I did paint a tractor with some of their enamel and you could almost see the color fading daily so I don't care to use anymore Valspar products.
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The problem with putting lacquer over oil based paints is lacquer contains acetone which is too hot of a solvent for oil based paints. Lacquer works by melting into consecutive coats like shellac and when lacquer tries to melt into oil base paint it gets under it and lifts the finish as though you put paint and varnish remover on it. Oil based paints use a mechanical bond where they bond to the surface rather than melting in.

I haven't used a lot of Valspar finishes, mostly because I rarely see them in the store. I did paint a tractor with some of their enamel and you could almost see the color fading daily so I don't care to use anymore Valspar products.
True. Thats also why you have to catalyze each sealer you use under a conversion varnish because the acid in the varnish will melt down into the previous applied finishes and cause adhesion problems and eventually the topcoat will flake off and in some instances, peel the entire finish away from the raw wood.

CAB doesnt contain acetone. Thats why I said in the other thread that acrylics do not rewet each other. Not trying to get too technical here, but CAB acrylics contain:
Lt. Aliphatic Hydrocarbon Solvent, Ethylbenzene,Xylene, Ethanol, Methyl-1-propanol, Methyl Ethyl Ketone, Methyl n-Amyl Ketone, Isobutyl Acetate, and Methoxy-2-Propanol Acetate. All are weaker solvents and will not hurt any oil finish EXCEPT for the MEK, but its not enough in it to amount to much. MEK is only added first to dissolve the Ethylbenzene when making the product.

But, its always best to apply a sealer over an oil base, mainly to allow for more build. It usually takes 2-3 coats of CAB to equal the build of 1 coat of a high build sealer once its dry.
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Are you saying that someone that thins CAB with lacquer thinner doesn't have acetone in the batch?
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Are you saying that someone that thins CAB with lacquer thinner doesn't have acetone in the batch?
Im saying that the CAB acrylic that Big Dave used does not have acetone in that product nor thinner....but I just always suggest a sealer before applying CAB to anything.

Here is the MSDS for that product which lists all the solvents in it.
http://www.paintdocs.com/docs/webPDF...&prodno=T75F17

If I thin any of the T75 products, I use Isobutyl Acetate, which also makes it flow better.

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