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post #21 of 27 Old 08-14-2013, 07:46 AM Thread Starter
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Nah, you're not in over your head.
This is just another problem you won't have in the future
Thank you Webster. Nice sentiment and a positive way to look at it.

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Thanks Steve but I am going to go the dye route all the way.

Small question - when I am applying the dye can I put on multiple coats back to back till I achieve the desired darkness? Or do I have to let the dye dry between coats? If so how long should I wait?

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If you are using a dye mixed with water you would have better results using multiple coats. Personally I would prefer to do it in one coat. If the dye was mixed with alcohol I think you would take off about as much as you put on doing multiple coats. The problem you are going to have on this project using dye it's a too penetrating color and you need something that is more opaque. I think I would be more inclined to use semi-transparent fence stain.
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If your distributor had put the correct amount of pigment in and you bought a $30 spray gun, you would have been done with this project with one quick spray, no wiping necessary, dry in an hour.
That being said, you need to know how to spray, which is in itself an art.
Used the stuff for years, in factories, production shops, definitely the easiest and quickest way to get consistent results.
Works better than anything for an even coat on blotch-prone woods, 40 years of trying everything lead me to this conclusion.
Looks like you'll get what you want in the end, this is solely for future project reference.
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If you are using a dye mixed with water you would have better results using multiple coats. Personally I would prefer to do it in one coat. If the dye was mixed with alcohol I think you would take off about as much as you put on doing multiple coats. The problem you are going to have on this project using dye it's a too penetrating color and you need something that is more opaque. I think I would be more inclined to use semi-transparent fence stain.

Steve the picture that I included in post #13 was a test applying multiple coats of dye back to back till I got the color that I wanted. It was TransTint dye diluted in water and it gave me enough open time to avoid major overlap line problems.

I would like to continue this way since I have now invested so much time and money trying different approaches that I need to get this done for the customer.

Can I apply water diluted dye in multiple coats back to back without waiting hours in between coats for drying?

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If your distributor had put the correct amount of pigment in and you bought a $30 spray gun, you would have been done with this project with one quick spray, no wiping necessary, dry in an hour.
That being said, you need to know how to spray, which is in itself an art.
Used the stuff for years, in factories, production shops, definitely the easiest and quickest way to get consistent results.
Works better than anything for an even coat on blotch-prone woods, 40 years of trying everything lead me to this conclusion.
Looks like you'll get what you want in the end, this is solely for future project reference.
Bzguy I appreciate the feedback. Someday it would be nice to have spray capability. It would avoid lots of issues that I encountered on this project.

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Steve the picture that I included in post #13 was a test applying multiple coats of dye back to back till I got the color that I wanted. It was TransTint dye diluted in water and it gave me enough open time to avoid major overlap line problems.

I would like to continue this way since I have now invested so much time and money trying different approaches that I need to get this done for the customer.

Can I apply water diluted dye in multiple coats back to back without waiting hours in between coats for drying?

Gary
You don't have to wait for each coat of the dye to dry. Having the means of spraying I've never wiped any real volume of dye. Does additional coats really add more color? I would think to add more color the consecutive coats would need to be a little more concentrated.
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You don't have to wait for each coat of the dye to dry. Having the means of spraying I've never wiped any real volume of dye. Does additional coats really add more color? I would think to add more color the consecutive coats would need to be a little more concentrated.
Steve my testing surely shows that adding additional coats of dye add more color. Not having to wait for the coats to dry will save me elapsed time. Thanks.

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