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post #21 of 34 Old 02-04-2010, 11:07 AM
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what is the price different between the dye stain and just painting? The veneer side is my concern with the dye stain. I would rather sell a new vanity , but I get this request and head to my buddy at Sherwin Williams that sells me a adhesive primer with some paint. No clear coat needed. Total cost for the two is around $60.00
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Don't really know since a pro will likely already have his dyes. It wouldn't take but a few drops mixed with some lacquer or DNA. Of course, he'll still charge for his materials and time for sure. But, to me.... it would be worth it. As for the difference between the veneer or face side or doors being different, there won't be a lick of difference sprayed with a dye stain I wouldn't think. Think of an opaque stain you might use on a cedar deck or siding. It covers the grain up some, but you can still "see" the grain through the stain. Not as clearly as a penetrating stain, but.... it colors the entire board very evenly. So whether you're spraying plywood, veneer or face wood, with a dye stain, everyting comes out very even and clean looking. That is, if you're a pro that has the right tools, knows how to use them and of course, the experience. One of the problems with spraying dyes as stains or even very light shades as toners over stains, is you can end up with stripes. That's where knowing what you are doing with the proper equipment will separate a cabinet pro from a DIY'er like me.

I thought the gel stain approach might work, but for Sherry, obviously it didn't. Maybe she got everything too smooth going to #180 (I would have stopped at #120 or #150 for certain so that I could get something a little rougher for the stain to grab). But, either way.... the gel stain approach was at least worth a try IMHO. You can buy that stuff in half pint cans so I figured it was worth it to see. I would have tested a bunch to be certain before I ruined my entire kitchen though. But, hind sight is usually better no?
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My daughter has my camera. As soon as I can get it back, I'll post some pictures. I told my husband I was only "experimenting" on the back of a few doors but then I went ahead did some door fronts which I regret because they are way too dark. Almost like black paint. I used the java gel stain.

I've been hiding the doors in the basement hoping I could clean them off with mineral spirits but I let the stain dry completely. So I'm sort of stuck at this point. I'm not sure what to do.
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My daughter has my camera. As soon as I can get it back, I'll post some pictures. I told my husband I was only "experimenting" on the back of a few doors but then I went ahead did some door fronts which I regret because they are way too dark. Almost like black paint. I used the java gel stain.

I've been hiding the doors in the basement hoping I could clean them off with mineral spirits but I let the stain dry completely. So I'm sort of stuck at this point. I'm not sure what to do.
Sherry, you may be ok if you didn't sand completely through your previous finish. I would try some Goof-Off and see if that works. It may not get all of the dark Java out of the deep pores of the open grain on Oak, but should get off enough to let you try another route. That is, as long as a fair amount of the previous finish was still there.

Sorry you're having trouble.
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the best idea would be to get someone who knows what they're doing.
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OK, so I went to Woodcraft today and got some Brown Mahogany General Finishes Gel Stain. I've talked to a handful of people and no one really knew where to stear me. I got so many different opinions I didnt know which direction to go. So.....I took different things from different people.

I'll create seperate steps for each step I took along with a photo.
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Here is my test piece. It is slightly thicker than my doors. It seems stronger, mine feel 'cheaper'. Hopefully, that doesnt matter much.
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This is after it was prepped. #1 had nothing done other than cleaned with mineral spirits. #2 had a stain stripper applied and scraped. #3 had steel wool used on it. #4 was sanded with 120 and 150 grit sand paper.
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Finished results. I didn't give much attention to getting it in the sides. I was more concerned with the overall look, ie, would I lose the grain, is it too dark, smears, etc. My wife thinks part #1 looks the best, which is gel stain straight on. I like #4, I like the darkness and the defined look of the grain.

The line between parts #3 and #4 is the original as there was tape there.
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Are you wiping the stain off or leaving it on?

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Here is the finished piece again, just closer. I'm pretty happy with the results. I didnt have much confidence after hearing from so many people who thought my results wouldn't be very good.
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So, now for my questions.

Obviously, I can lay the doors flat when finishing. I cant do that for the rest of the cabinet, so does that present any problems? I also have a veneer piece on the very bottom as well as a large veneer piece on the far left end.

Also, what is the best way to get the edges where the grooves are?

Anyone have any suggestions, tips or comments?

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Finished results. I didn't give much attention to getting it in the sides. I was more concerned with the overall look, ie, would I lose the grain, is it too dark, smears, etc. My wife thinks part #1 looks the best, which is gel stain straight on. I like #4, I like the darkness and the defined look of the grain.

The line between parts #3 and #4 is the original as there was tape there.

Good job and nice use of your test piece. I agree with you that #4 looks best. But then again, I don't have to live with your wife,

I wouldn't worry about the veneered section on the end or sanding with the boxes up rather than flat. You should be able to get them sanded quite well and you don't have worries about the gel stain running anywhere. Just be careful that you don't sand through the veneer. It's easy to do if you don't pay attention.
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Thanks JW. I really appreciate you taking the time to guide me in the right direction.

#4, by the way, was done as you said on page one of this thread.

Thanks again.

When I get the 'real' project completed in the coming days, I'll be sure to post.

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