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post #21 of 26 Old 05-11-2018, 11:56 PM
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The biggest problem I can see is they would be competing with their own saw. They like the idea of having the only saw that won't cut hot dogs. I forget who it was but another company started making a similar device and their lawyers stomped them in the ground to keep the monopoly on it. Then they would probably have to invade on someone else's patents to make the accessory for another brand saw. They could care less how many fingers it would save, it's all about money.
The stomped company was Bosch. SawStop obtained a court ruling to block importation of the REAXX jobsite table saw into the US. Fortunately, I had bought my REAXX before the ruling took effect.

I agree that SawStop's motivation is greed, not personal safety. They wanted such high licensing fees for their patents that nobody would pay them. Unable to license their patents, they resorted to making their own saws, which is fine.

What upsets me is that SawStop has been actively lobbying the US government to require SawStop technology in all table saws. SawStop wants to force other table saw manufacturers to pay the unreasonably high license fees that the other manufacturers would not or could not pay before. SawStop could not sell their licenses in the open market fair and square, so they resorted to lobbying the US government into extorting the fees from the other table saw manufacturers.

Shame on SawStop. They could have made a fortune by setting reasonable license fees for their technology. Just think of how many injuries might have been prevented if everyone had licensed their technology 15 years ago. With the patents due to run out in three years, it is probably too late for SawStop to drop their license fees and get the other table manufacturers on board. The lead time to design and produce table saws with SawStop technology would consume much of the remaining years on the patents anyway. I predict that it portends SawStop's doom. I predict that SawStop sales will drop precipitously, starting on the day that their patents fall into the public domain.

In my opinion, SawStop does not care about woodworkers, only money. That said, SawStop makes excellent saws, and I still recommend them to others, lacking any alternatives.
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Sawstop won't have been the first company to try to corner the market and establish a monopoly on their technology and darn sure won't be the last. I refused to use the Windows operating system for a long time for similar reasons and stuck with various Linux systems. Part stubbornness on my part and partly just not liking the system anyway. I have a Windows computer I use occasionally, but I'd rather use Linux. The only reason I even have a Windows setup is because the old lady thinks she'll die if she has to use Linux..lol
I'm tempted to wait it out to see who's the first competitor to use the technology, but I might not have any fingers left by then. I've come to realize that my brain isn't equipped to protect my body parts just for the sake of fair play in the business world.. I'm going to occasionally have times when the old noggin takes a nap at the worst possible time. Although a few stubborn people in my family seem to think I like chopping into my fingers with sharp, spinning objects I'm happy to report that just isn't the case. Sssssometimes stupidity runs over the other senses just because. It's not intentional.
I still have the occasional moment when I'm not even in the shop and I'll jerk my hand back just thinking about the fateful moment. It hurts more thinking about it than it actually hurt cutting into it. Strange how that works..

I figured it's time to change my signature so hold your breath. This is it.
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I just ripped into my fingertip... again.. a cut off started coming back towards me and instinctively I reached for the damned thing and rrrrrip.. Headed to the hospital if for no other reason than to get antibiotics..
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Sorry to hear about your injury. I am glad that it wasn't worse. In order to help other newbies from the same mistake, will you explain more about what you could have done differently, other than NOT "reached for the damned thing"? Were you using anti-kick back paws on your Craftsman table saw? Did the anti-kick back paws fail to catch the cut off? Was your blade guard working correctly?

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Sorry to hear about your injury. I am glad that it wasn't worse. In order to help other newbies from the same mistake, will you explain more about what you could have done differently, other than NOT "reached for the damned thing"? Were you using anti-kick back paws on your Craftsman table saw? Did the anti-kick back paws fail to catch the cut off? Was your blade guard working correctly?

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There is no safety equipment on my saw anymore other than the on and off switch and a nice bright light over top.. It's one of the reasons I want to retire the saw at least from my possession.. Maybe my CL ad will read, Very unsafe saw for sale! Hurry while the emergency room is still a thing!

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There is no safety equipment on my saw anymore other than the on and off switch and a nice bright light over top.. It's one of the reasons I want to retire the saw at least from my possession.. Maybe my CL ad will read, Very unsafe saw for sale! Hurry while the emergency room is still a thing!
I like the safety features of the standard G1023RLWX blade guard, but the "blade shroud" did very little for keeping saw dust off the table top. I made my own blade guard/saw dust collector, but I really didn't like how fragile it was from gluing the Lexan plastic together. So, I purchased a Shark Guard for my Grizzly table saw.

I should have done it when I purchased the G1023 in 2015. The Shark Guard works very well. It includes anti-kick back paws and a 4" diameter port. I get very little saw dust above the table these days.

http://www.thesharkguard.com/

I probably should post a review. I will see what I can do in the next couple of weeks.

Anyways, the $200 is probably cheaper than a trip to the ER. The Shark Guard will still let you cut a hot dog, but I find that it keeps my fingers away from the spinning blade.

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I still have the occasional moment when I'm not even in the shop and I'll jerk my hand back just thinking about the fateful moment. It hurts more thinking about it than it actually hurt cutting into it. Strange how that works.
Funny you should mention that. I've had the same thing happen to me. Sort a like post traumatic blade syndrome. Doesn't happen much anymore, but did quite often right after the incident.
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