OK This is the end for me because it isn't going anywhere.
As for my signs and profit you are correct labor was not included because anything above material cost and or booth space I consider mine. However I can assure you that my numbers are right. If you don't believe it oh well.
You said "They sell a slimline starting at $2.00. I buy their Hobby Line Slimlines and the finish does not effect the price on them. I have had great success with their" kits. I didn't say that I ONLY buy their hobby line slimeline, but that I but their hobby line. See you don't listen.
Those kits are the same as the PSI Funline kits which are crappy and if your selling those for $20 your ripping people off. I have never had the finish rub off.
The clips are thin, easily bend and the finish is not as good as the PSI slimline. I actually carry one daily, and in my business it has held up just fine.
They list it as a hobby kit for a reason. I now that from experience while learning to turn pens with the Funline or hobby kits.
As for the warranty I made a call to PSI and I invite you to do the same if you doubt me. There web site and catalog will be changed because they do offer the lifetime warranty on all pen kits and finishes except the Funline. You know the hobby line you use and sell. Another dig, rather unbecoming.
The reason it says gold is because all other finishes are solid material but the gold is plated.
While on the phone with them I asked why other people were selling the Penn State Industries kits for less then they were. Maybe you new this but I didn't Penn State Industries line of pens gets all there pens from I think she said Penn State Woodworking in china. The name of the company was the suprise not that it came from China.
So thanks for the info on Wood N Whimsies. However there is still the matter of the hobby line being sold. You say undercutting hurts everyone and it does if its same quality. I never once said to undercut anyone's prices which you seam to imply. But you said that if a guy can sell it for $13 then so be it. That is undercutting.
New Orleans French Quarter had someone selling like 2-3 different color wood pens for like $7 at the flea market. does this hurt me no it's a flea market,I'm not selling there and I will keep a few cheap pens around to show the difference in quality from what I make and the cheap china imports.
Man get off the thing about me not listening. I been posting on here for a very long time and have given good advise helping many people on here. I not only heard the facts but heard the BS as well. Unfortunately you have only heard what you wanted to hear.
Location matters hence the OP don't even live in this country.
You think everyone should agree to a min price so you can make more money. Me I let me work do most of the selling. When did I say that I want a min so I can make more money? Again, not listening. I said that undercutting hurts everyone.
I pointed out that quality matters in price. You introduced at least to me to a new supplier with good prices. However you admit to using the cheaper hobby line in pens which I guess your selling. Again, not listening. I never said I was selling hobbyline. Just that I buy them and have had no issues with them. You shouldn't assume, you know what they say!
I came to that conclusion since your upset about people undercutting your prices. When did I say that I was upset at you? For that matter, when did I even mention anything about you prior to your response to my post?
What about using inferior materials and wanting top dollar. Again, not listening. I have never advocated using inferior materials and wanting top dollar. You are getting confused in your old age.
Whats that called?
You said "I just don't think that you are used to people disagreeing with you, and not giving up."
Really I have a 16,17 and 22 year old, all they do is disagree and not give up. It don't make them right. Nor does it make you right.
How about you say your last comment and we move on. Then you can have time to load up some pictures of your work in albums for everyone to see. Would love to! I have a bunch on another forum. I will see if I can get it loaded up tonight.
Oh order some good pen kits stop using the crappy ones to sell. Again a weak tactic at making me look bad while not actually addressing what I was saying.
You give the rest of us a bad name