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new lathe for semi-new turner

I've been reading quite a bit. Seems like folks are pretty happy with Jet Lathes. I had been looking at the 1442VSK, sells for about $1400 most places, found lots of good reviews, but it's a little more than I'm comfortable spending. I've mainly been turning 6-10" bowls on my $200 harbor freight model, it's been pretty good but isn't really heavy or powerful enough for bowl work, it's fine for pens and small work though.

Other contenders would be the Shop Fox W1758 which is probably an inferior tool at round $800. It is about as heavy and has an advertised 2hp motor. Or the Delta Industrial 46-460, which is a smaller size but still 12.5 inches and probalby big enough for my work. It is about half the weight of the other two.

I've seen other brands mentioned here but seems like many are European models that we probably can't buy here in the states.

Are there some I'm overlooking possibly?

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I own a big Powermatic 3520 and also own the Delta 46-460. It is one sweet lathe for money and does all that I ask of it. It certainly won't handle what my Powermatic does but when I'm using it I don't miss anything.
You might also look at the Nova 16/24. It's still a lot of money but you will never regret spending it. It is a very good lathe for the money.
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Shop Fox is Grizzly brand for models sold via dealers.

I think the Shop Fox W1758 is the same as the Grizzly G0462 which is $600.

I saw the Delta 46-460 being used in a craft show back in March. This looked like a really nice machine. Very quiet operation.

Bench mounted, so you would have to make your own stand. I would not let this put you off.

If you are only looking to make 6-10in bowls, the Delta seems to be a better fit for your needs.

The Jet looks like a nice machine, but a lot more capabilities than you say you need.
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I own a big Powermatic 3520 and also own the Delta 46-460. It is one sweet lathe for money and does all that I ask of it. It certainly won't handle what my Powermatic does but when I'm using it I don't miss anything.
You might also look at the Nova 16/24. It's still a lot of money but you will never regret spending it. It is a very good lathe for the money.
http://www.woodcraft.com/product/202...ood-lathe.aspx
Thanks for the input! So between the Jet 1442 & this nova, you prefer the Nova? Seems to have slightly better reviews, other than the light weight stand, which I'm used to already on the HF model so I just add about 100lbs of weight to the bottom and that works for me. I like Jet tools & have a few others, but some reviewers comment that the motor gets hot and I did't see that comment on any of the Nova reivews. My current 3/4 hp lathe motor gets very hot after roughing out 1 green 10" or so bowl and I don't like that.

Another question, there is also a 5 speed version of that Delta, 46-455 I think. Would you think it is worth the $200 more for the variable speed? At $500 for the 5 speed version I could afford to buy that right away. I am a little weary of the 3/4hp rating on the Delta but I imagine it is superior to the 3/4 hp on my HF model that gets very hot and is way underpowered despite its rating.
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Thanks for the input! So between the Jet 1442 & this nova, you prefer the Nova? Seems to have slightly better reviews, other than the light weight stand, which I'm used to already on the HF model so I just add about 100lbs of weight to the bottom and that works for me. I like Jet tools & have a few others, but some reviewers comment that the motor gets hot and I did't see that comment on any of the Nova reivews. My current 3/4 hp lathe motor gets very hot after roughing out 1 green 10" or so bowl and I don't like that.

Another question, there is also a 5 speed version of that Delta, 46-455 I think. Would you think it is worth the $200 more for the variable speed? At $500 for the 5 speed version I could afford to buy that right away. I am a little weary of the 3/4hp rating on the Delta but I imagine it is superior to the 3/4 hp on my HF model that gets very hot and is way underpowered despite its rating.
If variable speed is an option would definitely take it, it is worth the extra. I have 10 lathes including an old treadle lathe. The treadle is variable speed

I have a jet mini lathe. I don't like it. It is old and tired. Good for pens but not variable speed. I have to stop and change the belts. It is a pain in the rectum.

One lathe is variable speed and I want to upgrade that to something a lot better - that is time and mular

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Another question, there is also a 5 speed version of that Delta, 46-455 I think. Would you think it is worth the $200 more for the variable speed? At $500 for the 5 speed version I could afford to buy that right away. I am a little weary of the 3/4hp rating on the Delta but I imagine it is superior to the 3/4 hp on my HF model that gets very hot and is way underpowered despite its rating.
I wouldn't give up my variable speed for anything!

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Just remember you can do everything on a big lathe that you can do on a small one, but not vice versa.

That bowl was perfect right up until that last cut...
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Another question, there is also a 5 speed version of that Delta, 46-455 I think. Would you think it is worth the $200 more for the variable speed? At $500 for the 5 speed version I could afford to buy that right away. I am a little weary of the 3/4hp rating on the Delta but I imagine it is superior to the 3/4 hp on my HF model that gets very hot and is way underpowered despite its rating.

The $200 gets you up to 1 hp too, I believe.
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I happen to have 2, JET 1442's. One is new and the other gently used. I'll sell either one if you're have a way to come get it.
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I happen to have 2, JET 1442's. One is new and the other gently used. I'll sell either one if you're have a way to come get it.
Cool! Where do you live? If you want you can pm me the info including price and pics. I haven't seen a descent used lathe for sale around here.
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I have the Nova 1624 and it has done everything I have ask of it. It is also available here for $900. I paid $1200 for mine three years ago.
http://novatoolsusa.com/Reconditioned-Products_c10.htm

Quite a few have purchased the recon lathes and I have never heard of "poor condition", most state they are like new.

I'm sure turn knob speed is great but I have never changed the speed for spindle work and usually only once (very occassionally twice) for bowl work.
I thought of adding ballast a first but after properly leveling the lathe it has never been a problem.

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I also have the 5 speed HF lathe. So far is has done everything I have asked it to do but I am finding as my skill level increases, the HF lathe isnt near as accurate as I need it to be. It has the slightest little bit of runout that isnt really noticeable in small items like pens and stoppers but with bigger items, it really shows itself. Not to mention, the more I turn, the more I see the convienence of variable speed. Stopping to move the belt is a pain.

Ive been doing alot of research on lathes trying to figure out what to replace mine with and I'm leaning heavily toward the Delta 46-460. There have been numerous threads of switch problems posted but apparently they started using a different switch this year and that problem should be solved.

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The Jet 16/42 has been rated by many turners as one of the best lathes for the money. I demo on one regularly and except for the mass and extra swing it does everything my Powermatic does.
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I own the nova 1624 and when I went through this process a while back I learned that the major differences between a jet and a nova are the speeds. The nova can go down in the 400 rpm range where the comparable jet cannot. If your looking at turning bowls this is a HUGE difference. you can throw on an oblong off center hunk of wood and it handles it like a beast. I bought mine refurbed and have had 0 problems with it. The only downside is changing the belt to adjust to speed but once youve done it a few times you can change it in about 10- 15 seconds. I actually like changing the belt because it often provides a needed pause to consider and look at the work, grain, and features of the piece. Ive heard great stuff about the jet but for a bowl turner Id go with a nova all day. I bolted mine to the floor and even with a 50 pound hunk of wood it turns without a wobble. Hope that helps, happy turnin,
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