Turnedon hi thanks for the comments and to the rest of you guys thanks. The time was much the same as for any turning really the bits that take the time was the flock on the inside not that it takes long to do but having to wait for it to dry of, then the pyro burning, it was to cold in the shop so i waited till my wife went to bed and done it in the livingroom, then forgot and went to bed leaving the door shut, bad idea the wife was not happy stunk the place out, will have to remember to leave the door open so it disapates over night, still a bit cold in the shop. Im trying now to forget time, how long it takes to make something as i would not sell somethings as they take to long to make for the price you get, and i look at it as a hobby rather than a biz. I have basicly retired know and cannot be bothered with having to price work as i did before, im not one for over charging or taking daft money, as long as i make a small profit and to cover all my cost then im happy. LB..