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Interesting! I was thinking in the long term: sooner or later the glue will fail, and if all you have holding things together is friction, that drawer is going to disintegrate when you pull on it. It's a good point, though, that at least in the short term box joints offer more glue surface, and therefore more strength.
I've also seen a few destructive strength tests done on both joints, with modern adhesives they're both pretty even. Admittedly these tests werent done decades down the line, but at the same time I think the handles on the drawers would fail before the corners
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I've also seen a few destructive strength tests done on both joints, with modern adhesives they're both pretty even. Admittedly these tests werent done decades down the line, but at the same time I think the handles on the drawers would fail before the corners
Handles are easier to replace than structural joints. 8-)

As I said, though, you're right... in the short term (defined as "our lifetimes" -- too many geology classes really warp your time sense), they're either the same or with a slight bias towards the box joint.

I still hate cutting box joints by hand, though.
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Generally speaking, pocket screws seem to be equated with Ikea or knock down furniture. Right or wrong that's the way it is.

Pocket screws are incredibly convenient as they are self drilling and a very good clamping device.

For face frames the pocket screw is an excellent construction technique. The face frame is secured to the carcass with little chance of separation.

When pocket screws are used in chairs or tables (Ikea) there are strengthening dowels that are not usually glued. The dowels prevent twisting and racking. (Woodworkers will use glue when assembling these Ikea type projects.)

Around the shop, pocket screws are great for fixtures although most uses are straight in and not in the typical "pocket". The pocket screw drill bit is used to drill the hole to sink the washer head screw below the surface.

Pocket screw joinery has it's places but generally speaking you probably wont find pocket holes in high end solid wood furniture or cabinets.

Use the right tool for the job.

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