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post #1 of 6 Old 04-17-2018, 08:34 PM Thread Starter
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I am considering buying the following wood plan (link below) to make several of the trays for Christmas gifts. I'm fairly inexperienced in dovetail joints and the only dovetail jig I have is of somewhat low quality. I'm wondering about the four corner joints on this tray. Is this a conventional dovetail joint or is it made with a different technique? (Hopefully you far more experienced woodworkers can tell just by observation). Thank you

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Is that a conventional dovetail joint or is it made with a different technique? I don't want to buy the plan without knowing that first. Thank you for your help.
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The web page says they are angled box joints, which are not dovetail joints. Due to the angled sides, the box joints won't be 90deg to the edge, so you'll need to practice some before starting on the real deal.

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That is an insanely overengineered joint... Fitting for overpriced plans, i guess. Really, $8 for a box with a handle? Then again, they somehow managed to stretch out how to build a dish into 7 pages that needed 40 pictures, so i guess they had to pay the writer somehow...

Not impressed with those, if you hadnt guessed. Box joints or dovetails would be overkill for something like that anyway, the sides arent going to see much load to start with. A splayed miter joint would work just as well, though maybe not look as fancy. Theres something to be said for simple, clean lines and discreet joinery. Though, thats a personal choice, im more Shaker style over Greene and Greene, too much pointless frippery on that second one.

Id ditch the idea of buying those plans and draw up some of your own. Theres nothing particularly complicated about that box, so itd be a fantastic project to draft yourself. Splayed miters would be my choice, but if youre sold on dovetails, heres a few resources to help with the 'how'.
https://www.popularwoodworking.com/p...ils-the-layout
http://woodgears.ca/miter/

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I think that the angled box joints are a design element to add style to the tray. They are not there for structural reasons. I like the look of this tray design.

I would not buy the plans. Nearly everything you need to know to build this tray is shown in the small preview images, including a photo of how to make the angled box joints. I suspect that more information about angled box joints is available on the internet.

Box joints are commonly made on a table saw, although some people use a router table. There are many websites and videos on the internet showing how to make box joints. The first thing I would do if I were @Twokamprs is learn to make a regular box joint on scrap wood. After that, the angled box joint should be relatively easy. Computing and cutting the various angles accurately is the tricky part of the design.
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-snip- The first thing I would do if I were @Twokamprs is learn to make a regular box joint on scrap wood. After that, the angled box joint should be relatively easy. Computing and cutting the various angles accurately is the tricky part of the design.
And there is a nice calculator to help you figure out the miter and tilt angles for angled miter joints:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/mitersawbasicanglecalc.html

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The web page says they are angled box joints, which are not dovetail joints. Due to the angled sides, the box joints won't be 90deg to the edge, so you'll need to practice some before starting on the real deal.
An angled box joint will much easier to set-up and make versus an angled dovetail.
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