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View Poll Results: What's Your Preferred Picture Frame Joinery Method?
Plain Miter 2 33.33%
Miter with Lock Miter profile 0 0%
Biscuits 1 16.67%
Plugs 0 0%
Metal Bracket 0 0%
Dowels 0 0%
Something Else Entirely 3 50.00%
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Picture Frame Jointing... What's YOUR Method?

Getting closer to ordering a big ol' stack of picture frame molding to make some custom frames and it struck me how many ways there are to join the things together. I'm leaning towards plugging the corners, but for fun thought I might ask everybody elses' method.

What is (or would be) your preferred method of joinery for picture frame corners?

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I've always used plain miters, apply the glue, let soak in, re-apply then clamp.

Never a problem.

If I was worried about stresses, I would use a spline.

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Not particularly worried about stresses... though military movers aren't known to be real gentle with customers' items, so it wouldn't hurt to be a little beefier.

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I use mitered half lap joints. No reason other than I like to make them.
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I generally use a biscuit but the next ones I make I want to try the mitered half lap. Looks like fun and would be a tuff joint too.
BTW - Anybody know how to apply a lock miter joint to a picture frame. The option was in the poll but can't see how it's done unless a shadow box type frame??

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Miter the corner then use a lock miter router bit...?

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I like the look of butted joint on a picture frame better than mitered.
I did not make this frame just an example.
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I wonder why the method used in most professional frame shops isn't included in the choices?
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I use mitered half lap joints. No reason other than I like to make them.
+1 it'll never fall apart on you either, and it looks best imo
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I wonder why the method used in most professional frame shops isn't included in the choices?
?? what would that be??

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I've always used plain miters, apply the glue, let soak in, re-apply then clamp...
+1... unless it's a really large or heavy frame, then something stronger.
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I wonder why the method used in most professional frame shops isn't included in the choices?
I'm going to guess corrugated nailer.

I didn't include that option because a good corrugated nailer seems to be in the neighborhood of $500. Didn't think anybody here would have one, but I could be wrong.

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I don't use mouldings at all. I cut them from stock, cut the rabbet for the glass, router the profiles the way I want and cut the frame. From there, I glue up the frame using wood glue only. Then, once that is done, I like to add contrasting wood splines and glue them in place.

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I was thinking about making my own as well. MLCS seems to have some very nice moulding profile bits. But I can't seem to figure out a way to get the really bold mahogany colors or blackening around the edges that I'd want and a premade molding provides. Like the mahogany in this picture:



If you guys know how to reproduce that color... I'll make my own with pride. :)

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I don't use mouldings at all. I cut them from stock, cut the rabbet for the glass, router the profiles the way I want and cut the frame. From there, I glue up the frame using wood glue only. Then, once that is done, I like to add contrasting wood splines and glue them in place.
I've never bought mouldings. I like the creativity of making my own.
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I was thinking about making my own as well. MLCS seems to have some very nice moulding profile bits. But I can't seem to figure out a way to get the really bold mahogany colors or blackening around the edges that I'd want and a premade molding provides. Like the mahogany in this picture:



If you guys know how to reproduce that color... I'll make my own with pride. :)
Those look like build ups to me. Center being a 1" piece and the inside and outside being 1/4" each. Machined and likely finished seperately and then assembled.
The pic Sean posted earlier is similar. The inside portion of the frame is butt joined but the outer trim is mitered.

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What? Nobody has a professionally done frame they can look on the back of? If would only take a second to search it up. It doesn't require any expensive equipment and no, it's not corrugated fasteners. It's been in use for a long time.
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Most of 'em in my house are obviously professionally done as they are using pin nails, staples or v-nails. Since this is probably the least labor intensive method, I assume they are done by someone earning his living at it.

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I've never bought mouldings. I like the creativity of making my own.
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I don't use mouldings at all. I cut them from stock, cut the rabbet for the glass, router the profiles the way I want and cut the frame. From there, I glue up the frame using wood glue only. Then, once that is done, I like to add contrasting wood splines and glue them in place.
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I'm going to guess corrugated nailer.

I didn't include that option because a good corrugated nailer seems to be in the neighborhood of $500. Didn't think anybody here would have one, but I could be wrong.
I have a Duo-Fast corrugated fastener I bought in the 70's for $350. It's a fastener that brings two butt joints together. But for picture framing isn't used because the fastener is designed to pull the pieces tighter as it enters the wood. It works best when applied from both sides to pull evenly. In a picture frame it would allow the face to separate.

I used it for joining plywood and composite countertops, and for fixing joints of solid wood for upholstered furniture like Parsons type chairs. The fastener works good in woods like Poplar for the internal framing of furniture that gets covered with foam and upholstery.

I used to run picture frame mouldings on my Woodmaster and sell finished lengths to framing shops. They would cut the moulding to length, miter them, use glue and pinch dogs and secure with a wide crown staple.






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