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post #1 of 13 Old 07-24-2019, 01:40 PM Thread Starter
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I have many delicate fish and water scene wood carvings that I did in pine boards (12X2). I did not do anything to preserve the wood as I didn't know I shud (beginner carver). So now 3-4 years later if one falls off the wall it is in 10-15 pieces. The outside (showing side) has 3-5 thin coats of a polyurethane type product but I never sealed the back of the pieces with anything. Is it possible to let it soak up oil on the back side to prevent future breaking of other pieces? Any help is greatly appreciated as my son has a whole living room wall that looks like an underwater scene of lrg mouth bass. perch and crappies..
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the question is why are they breaking?


was the wood green when carved, and now dried out to crisp?
are they cracked?


exposing them to high humidity and allowing them to 'stabilize' followed by sealing both sides, is only a solution if they are warping/crisped.
if they are cracked to stabilize them will require adhering something 'structural' on the backs to essentially hold the pieces together.
not likely that effort will prevent damage to pieces that fall on the floor....
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some photos of your issues would put everyone on the same page
as far as suggestions go.

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The age, no longer than it's been or what you did or didn't do to preserve the carvings has noting to do with them breaking. All any preservative would do it prevent stains from handling it. Any wood carved with small details is subject to breakage but pine maybe more so.

Anything that is made out of wood should be sealed on all sides. Left unsealed it will absorb moisture from the air and depending on the item can cause substantial warpage. Sealing the wood where it doesn't show will make the wood more stable.
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I don't believe any of the wood was green when carved....some was purchased at lumber yard or salvaged from construction sites and some was an old water bed. It does not show any cracks but when one falls small parts will break off...fins, tails, or weeds in the underwater scenes.
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I posted the only pic I have...this was before they were hung on walls.
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Why are they falling off the wall????


The best way that I know of to prevent future breakage is to prevent them from falling off the wall!!! Unless this is being caused by major earth quakes there is something wrong in the way that you have them hung on the wall.


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Why are they falling off the wall????


The best way that I know of to prevent future breakage is to prevent them from falling off the wall!!! Unless this is being caused by major earth quakes there is something wrong in the way that you have them hung on the wall.


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Walls are dry, they are probably trying to get back to water.
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that's hilarious...you made me laugh!
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I posted a few more pics...my question now is will it help to seal the backs of these pieces now or is it too late? The last one that fell (open work w/ frogs and weeds pic) my son had hanging over his desk at work and he bumped it hanging something near it...oh well....
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The pieces that are breaking off can be glued back on with wood glue. I realize the irregular shapes you can't clamp the pieces but often you can hold the pieces in place with masking tape to make the repair. In summer usually if you just hold the piece for five minutes it's long enough to hold the pieces to hold. Just keep an eye on them when you make the repair. You only get one shot with wood glue. If the piece slips or falls off the glue will seal the wood where a repair will never be as good as new. It's true what the glue companies say, a glue joint is stronger than the glue itself.

As far as sealing the back just brush the same polyurethane that you used on the front. Don't thin it and one coat should be sufficient.
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Is it possible to let it soak up oil on the back side
to prevent future breaking of other pieces?
first of all ~ you have some AWESOME carvings there !!
I am very envious of your craftsmanship to do such nice work
in just plain old construction pine. very nicely done !!!!

if I had something that nice with all that work you put into it,
I would use the strongest picture hanging hardware I could find
and also the appropriate drywall fasteners to match.
it sounds like you just drilled a hole in the back and hung them on a nail.
please expand a little on your hanging methods - that may be the
culprit of them falling off the wall.
Priority Number One is to stop them from falling off the wall !!!!

as for repairs, if you have good clean breaks, and recovered all the pieces,
just plain TiteBond II wood glue will work just fine and easy to clean up.
there is no need for epoxy or similar adhesives.
I see no reason to treat the backs with oil or other stuff. just the same type
of finish you used on the front for the back, and the same number of coats.
I do carved signs, and that is the rule of thumb to use equal coats of finish
on all sides and edges to "help maintain" the equilibrium of the piece.
again - very, very nice projects !!! hope to see more of your work in the future.
[and spend some time with a photo editing program to post some nice photos].
FootNote: if you are going to be a woodworker; especially a woodcarver,
you MUST learn how to make invisible repairs in your work !!!!
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thank you so much for your kind words. I posted a clearer pic of the current one that is in pieces. I swiped the first pic off a FB page and enlarged it...hence the blurriness. The fish are held up by 2 nails and/or those command strip things. I guess as they are bumped off a wall I will seal backs cuz I'm sure my son is not up for taking them all down. I will ask my son to take pics of some of my other pieces to post here. Guess I shud have mentioned all the dark details are done with wood burning tools and believe it or not fins and some weeds are darkened w/ worchestire sauce...lol...I'm retired and on a very fixed income. Sadly I have abandoned wood carving tho it is my most favorite of hobbies due to the cost of materials, carving bits, n tools, etc. I started off on drift wood pieces and all hand tools but then graduated to a dremmel and carving bits. My son's buddies all want the fish scenes and I sold a few but it barely covered my costs and once I started mass producing it just wasn't fun anymore. I hope to get back into to it someday. I had looked at you or signs when you first responded to my post..they r beautiful and very professional. I doubt I cud pull off how perfect your lettering and details are. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my posts.
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