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How would a complete rookie carve something like this?

I知 a long time woodworker and relatively new turner who wants to add a little flair to a turning. I致e never carved anything; I知 barely able to sharpen a pencil with a knife!

I want to carve spirals into a turning. What I知 really trying to do is to carve a turning so it oooks like the ice cream in a soft serve cone.

I知 thinking that I値l need to draw some lines to follow, the carve with a V shaped tool.

Where do I start.

Here痴 a picture that sort of captures the idea.
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cutting spiral using a router ....

This is a mechanical means of carving a spiral:

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)
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I知 a long time woodworker and relatively new turner who wants to add a little flair to a turning. I致e never carved anything; I知 barely able to sharpen a pencil with a knife!

I want to carve spirals into a turning. What I知 really trying to do is to carve a turning so it oooks like the ice cream in a soft serve cone.

I知 thinking that I値l need to draw some lines to follow, the carve with a V shaped tool.

Where do I start.

Here痴 a picture that sort of captures the idea.
The V shaped tool won't work for that. Once side going with the grain would cut fine and the other side would tear all the way. The easiest way would be to take a hand saw or back saw and cut the center of the spiral with that and then use a plain carpenters chisel and carve to the saw cut on each side. That way you could be cutting with the grain cutting one direction on one side and cutting the opposite direction on the other.
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I知 a long time woodworker and relatively new turner who wants to add a little flair to a turning. I致e never carved anything; I知 barely able to sharpen a pencil with a knife!

I want to carve spirals into a turning. What I知 really trying to do is to carve a turning so it oooks like the ice cream in a soft serve cone.

I知 thinking that I値l need to draw some lines to follow, the carve with a V shaped tool.

Where do I start.

Here痴 a picture that sort of captures the idea.
Hi Quickstep,

Sounds like a fun project...!!!

I would say you have it pretty much figured out already.

A "V Gouge" is one of the carving tools to use, be it stone or wood, and perhaps the most common I've reached for over the years for such work..

It can be done with some versions of small draw knife as well as some the modified "crook knives" that cut better on a pull stroke than push, or you could use router carving heads to good effect as well...

If you don't feel "up to snuff" free handing and cutting by eye something like this, by all means, sketch some lines in the desired area to achieve the relief topography you wish to achieve...

Following your photo example, this could be simply done by wrapping some thread or twine around the piece until it pleases your eye and has the desired effect. Then simply trace a line...

Hope that helped...Love to see what the final project looks like!

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I would have trouble generating that curve freehand

I'm a pretty good sketcher after 6 years in art school and I would have trouble making that curve on a cone shaped piece of wood. Geometrically or mechanically, as it goes up, it also rotates and goes in from the perimeter to follow the cone. Then we have the issue of spacing them out equally around the diameter, ending up with full twists no partial ones. It's rather complex.


I probably would start with the spacing first, dividing the diameter at the base into 6, 8 or 12 spaces. Then attach a string to one of the index marks and slowly rotate the cone lifting up on the string as you go. A little "sticky" on the string will keep it from slipping around as it lays against the cone. When you reach the tip/top look at the curve you have and see if that what you have in mind. Then trace that string on the cone and that's your first line to carve or saw a groove into.



Like Jay said, it would be great to see how you do it.

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)
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After reading Woodnthings's post, I believe I could have (and should have) probably offered more detail and clarification in this method as I described it...Sorry for not doing so...

Coming from a family of working Artists and "carver of things" (stone, clay, wood, etc) there was a method I grew up with called "may-poling" that was relatively common practice in layout. It was used on not only Goose and Duck eggs for laying out carving and painting patterns but on wood as well for all manner of project from Carousel Restoration to hand carve threads in rod and shaft.

One can use thread (the sticky can be achieved with just beeswax or actual glue) or one can use narrow tailors ribbon (1/8" to 1/4") found in most textile/fabric supply stores and Push Pins to hold them in place if desired or needed. They can be glued on as well then just carved off as the project progresses...or...just use them as a strait edge and sketch down there sides and remove...

This method is really simple and I have used it in class with 2nd and 3rd graders for hand decorating Easter Eggs so you should have no issue with pulling it off.

There is an "old school" divider method for doing this as well but that is more for thread layout and other more uniform geometry of a spiral nature than a wood sculpture of an Ice Cream Soft Serve Cone...

Please do post pictures of your progress and final project...It would be cool to see!!!
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Wow!

Wish you could make a video of the process. Something I could use to play with the grand kids.
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Wish you could make a video of the process. Something I could use to play with the grand kids.
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Hi Tony,

I have been looking all over to see if anyone is using something similar to it...Nothing so far even in other languages...LOL.

I'm "tech savvy" to only a point, and a pure Luddite in other regards (aka I don't own a cell phone or use one very often unless a client makes me for a project). As such, I'm also not much of one for being in front of cameras, a natural aversion I come by...only to be enhanced by my time in the Marines. As such, I have never made a video of any of my work and I'm horrid for taking pictures of it too...I'm getting better (with help from friends) and I'm trying to get some things pulled together for publication, but its time consuming while still working full time also.

I'm going to keep looking, but feel free to ask whatever questions will help understand the method better?

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Make the spiral with a long strip of low-tack painter's masking tape.
Measure against the previous winding with a ruler, as you go.
Then pencil in the lines and remove the tape.

I did spirals like that on 64" cedar story poles.
Worked better than I expected.
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