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Fixed a picture frame today.

Picture frame was broken probably more than 50 years ago. Someone just spray painted the broken area so it didn't show up too much.

I started by cutting a couple pieces of stiff wire and drilled holes in the frame and inserted it with some epoxy. Then I put package sealing tape on the back side and blobbed bondo in the area. Then I carved the bondo to match the rest of the design and spray painted the spot with some gold paint.
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Excellent job @Steve Neul

amazing as always!
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Nice repair


In woodworking there is always more then one way to accomplish something.
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God dang it Steve, you make the rest of us look bad. That's some nice work you've done there, honestly well done!
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Great technique with the frame wires, good carving.
BTW: what's bondo like for carving?
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Excellent work, Steve! Good match on the gold, too.

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The gold was just a can of rattle can paint a customer had given me to get rid of it. Someone in my family must have painted the frame at one time or another. I know nobody has done anything to it since the 1960's.

The frame could have been fixed better. It was a wooden frame that had some kind of plaster material which had the carving on it. I probably should have replaced the wood and then put the bondo on the front but I got lazy. The frame has been hanging in my house for three years and I've never had the time to fix it.
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Gold is just about as difficult to match as white. Glad the rattle can matched.

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I wondered about the carving, itself. Lots of those frames actually did use plaster castings
for the elaborate carved look. Fast to do, yes? Add gold leaf and you're done.
I'll bet the thing weighs a ton.

I know a framer in the city who can make replica molds from good parts of a frame then cast pieces for an invisible repair.
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I wondered about the carving, itself. Lots of those frames actually did use plaster castings
for the elaborate carved look. Fast to do, yes? Add gold leaf and you're done.
I'll bet the thing weighs a ton.

I know a framer in the city who can make replica molds from good parts of a frame then cast pieces for an invisible repair.
The frame is very old and dry. It's not very heavy.

Anyone with a little patience could make plaster molds to do something like that. I used to do it. I used a product called Rub-R Mold. https://www.dickblick.com/products/r...SABEgLQIPD_BwE This stuff is sort of like using paint. You brush on 10 to 12 coats of the rubber on the original. Then you pour plaster over the top to re-enforce the mold. You then remove the back mold and then peal off the rubber mold and lay it in back mold. Then just mix up some plaster and pour it in. When I did it instead of plaster of paris I used some stuff called hydracal. It's suppose to be used by dentist to make dental molds. It's just a little stronger than plaster of paris.

I have all that stuff packed away and haven't seen it in about 20 years. I will see if I can find it and post some pictures.

I found some of the plaster molds. Here is one of a carved bracket showing the original and the mold. The only plaster casting I could find is a capitol which is the last picture. The mold for it must be packed in another box, I couldn't find it.
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Thanks for going to the trouble of finding those. I guess somebody had to be #1 and carve the original!
Lost in antiquity.

I've made molds of small things.
Get the original wet with soapy water. Likewise with your hand.
Now squeeze a handful of bathtub silicone over the original and let that cure to peel off as a mold.

I stayed in a pub in North Yorkshire a few years ago. The quality and the apparent age of the carved woodworkings
was amazing. The barman said they "thought" that the original part of the stone building had been put up in the late 1500's.
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Thanks for going to the trouble of finding those. I guess somebody had to be #1 and carve the original!
Lost in antiquity.

I've made molds of small things.
Get the original wet with soapy water. Likewise with your hand.
Now squeeze a handful of bathtub silicone over the original and let that cure to peel off as a mold.

I stayed in a pub in North Yorkshire a few years ago. The quality and the apparent age of the carved woodworkings
was amazing. The barman said they "thought" that the original part of the stone building had been put up in the late 1500's.
At the time when I was doing the plaster work I had a antique refinishing shop and when there was a piece in my shop that had a carving on it that I liked I would make a mold off of it. I also cast some of the thing I had carved. The rubber mold peals off the furniture clean so there is no damage to the furniture. If anything it pulls off what dirt there may be on it. It's one of those things I got into thinking I could make plaster castings and sell them but I didn't have the time or place to market them right so I still have it all somewhere. Most of the molds have gone bad sitting in the warehouse so if I were to get into it again I would have to start over. It's funny, going through that box of molds I found one I had cast and the plaster was still in it but the mold kind of glued itself to the plaster. The mold was coming off in little pieces so I gave up.
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Steve: can you find yourself an apprentice in the theatrical business, amateur? Restorations?
Feed them this stuff. You will never have the time or the appetite to go back to it.
From masks to props, the experience, the education, is solid gold.

I know that's a really rude thing to say, that you won't get back to it.
I should apologize but I can't. So many times, I've watched people sour and bitter
as those things slip away. You keep it fresh = put stuff aside and keep going.

I had a list when I retired 12 years ago. I have done 100% NONE of it.
Instead, I do wood carving and grow grapes.

On the dark side:
After 20+ years moonlighting in stagecraft and pyro FX, I took on a couple of eager younger guys.
They really came along, did really well. To this day, their wives think I'm poison from Hell.
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