Which air filtration unit would you recommend - Woodworking Talk - Woodworkers Forum
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 10:59 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
captainawesome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,008
View captainawesome's Photo Album My Photos
Which air filtration unit would you recommend

This year for Christmas, I am asking for an air filtration unit to hang from the ceiling of my shop. There are several models on the market right now, and I can't really make sense of what I need.

My shop is 21' x 28' with 10' ceilings. After reading about a few of the units, the Jet seems to be the favorite out there right now. I think it will work for the size of my shop, but I guess I'm more concerned about the effectiveness of each particular unit. I made the mistake of reading through Bill Pentz website which states that none of these commercial units do anything about the super fine dust that I would like to reduce in my shop.

If I'm reading his site correctly, all I need is the filter he recommends and the right size motor (the cost of both being around $340) and I'll have a far more effective air filter than anything out there.

I've got a 1 micron cartridge filter on my 1hp DC with a trash can separator in line, and it does a fine job of collecting the chips and dust from the machines as I use them. I am just looking to improve the air quality a bit for my own health, and my family whenever they are in the shop.

What are y'alls opinions on this? What do you use in your shop? Has anyone built Bill's air cleaner?

Thanks,

Sean
captainawesome is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 11:02 AM
Sawdust Creator
 
ryan50hrl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 8,047
View ryan50hrl's Photo Album My Photos
I've built my own for under 50 bucks, and I couldn't be happier with it. Filters are inexpensive and it works well. If and when I build another....ill use a bigger blower.

The tools don't make the craftsman....
ryan50hrl is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to ryan50hrl For This Useful Post:
captainawesome (11-07-2013)
post #3 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 11:11 AM
Senior Member
 
Dave Paine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 7,222
View Dave Paine's Photo Album My Photos
I have the Jet AFS-1000B for air filtration.

I have this installed above my lathe. I use this when I am sanding on the lathe. This is the operation which generates the most dust in my shop.

For flat work sanding, I use a Random Orbit Sander and the shop vac which has a HEPA filter, so no dust.

Ryan and others have built their own. Fairly simple design, blower and an inlet filter.

Ryan's build thread.
http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f32/h...-filter-45667/

Another build thread.
http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f32/h...-system-37053/

Bill Pentz is very sensitive to dust. Hence he needed greater filtration than most folks need.
Dave Paine is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Dave Paine For This Useful Post:
captainawesome (11-07-2013)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 11:44 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
captainawesome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,008
View captainawesome's Photo Album My Photos
Thank you both. I have gone back and forth between building my own, and just purchasing one. I've read through both of those threads a few times, and even printed out some old shop notes (I think) plans on how to build one. I'm pretty sure if I do one more "project" that is for the shop, she who must be obeyed won't let me in the garage anymore.

As someone who has had issues with asthma in the past and still fighting off allergies, I think that all of the dust in the shop is starting to take its toll on me a little bit. That is probably why I read Bill's site with more interest than most. Not to mention I would never be able to forgive myself if my hobby caused my 2 year old son to develop asthma or allergies as a result...
captainawesome is offline  
post #5 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 12:38 PM
Sawdust Creator
 
ryan50hrl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 8,047
View ryan50hrl's Photo Album My Photos
My issue with many of the store bought ones is the cost of filters. I have no qualms about changing the filter in mine as it's only 2 bucks for stage 1....I feel I'd wait longer than I Should if I was replacing more expensive filters.

Just an FYI....mine took about an hour and a half to build...

The tools don't make the craftsman....
ryan50hrl is offline  
post #6 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 12:53 PM
Senior Member
 
Dave Paine's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 7,222
View Dave Paine's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan50hrl View Post
My issue with many of the store bought ones is the cost of filters. I have no qualms about changing the filter in mine as it's only 2 bucks for stage 1....I feel I'd wait longer than I Should if I was replacing more expensive filters.
The Jet brand stage 1 filters are not cheap. The nominal 12in x 24in stage 1 filter should be readily available at the local big box stores.

I recently bought a stage 1 filter to have on hand for when I want to replace this. I bought at a big box store. I am not recalling how much this cost.

I have considered getting a washable filter.
Dave Paine is offline  
post #7 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 12:57 PM
Sawdust Wrangler
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: gulf coast
Posts: 482
View mobilepaul's Photo Album My Photos
Having talked with Bill about his, I believe him when he says it's superior to most. Not cheap tho but the filter is reusable...

http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyc...ir_cleaner.cfm

Last edited by mobilepaul; 11-07-2013 at 12:59 PM.
mobilepaul is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to mobilepaul For This Useful Post:
captainawesome (11-07-2013)
post #8 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 01:52 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
captainawesome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,008
View captainawesome's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by mobilepaul View Post
Having talked with Bill about his, I believe him when he says it's superior to most. Not cheap tho but the filter is reusable...

http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyc...ir_cleaner.cfm
Yeah that's the exact one I was thinking about putting together. It said that's the one he uses in his house, but doesn't specify if it is also what he runs in his shop. I also couldn't find an example of it mounted anywhere, or any info on how noisy it is. It seems like the most effective solution at about the same price as a commercial unit
captainawesome is offline  
post #9 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 05:58 PM
Sawdust Wrangler
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: gulf coast
Posts: 482
View mobilepaul's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
Yeah that's the exact one I was thinking about putting together. It said that's the one he uses in his house, but doesn't specify if it is also what he runs in his shop. I also couldn't find an example of it mounted anywhere, or any info on how noisy it is. It seems like the most effective solution at about the same price as a commercial unit
He told me that it is the one that he ran in the shop. I would imagine that the noise would be determined by the particular fan but the one he recommends, the Vortex 8" VTX800 does not have a published sones listing on the manufacturers site

http://atmosphere.com/english/html/p...tx/vtx800.html

V-Series High Performance Models 246363 through 246365 feature operating speeds ranging from 1500 to 1700 RPM, providing even quieter operation.

I'll bet a larger fan from that series with one of Wynn Enviromental's Nano filters would do even better... You would just have to find a new way to marry the filter to the fan other than how Bill did it...

http://www.globalindustrial.com/g/hv...ct-blower-fans

The 9L300 Nano has a flange of 14" so, perhaps, you could put the 12" vortex blower on there and get 1100 CFM and really suck out a workshop!

This is definitely the way I am going to go as soon as I get the workshop up and running.

Paul

1 micron, according to Bill, is not small enough to capture the most dangerous of the particulate. You have to get to 1/2 micron or better to get the stuff that really impacts your health. Most of the woodworking filters from Wynn are .5 micron.

Last edited by mobilepaul; 11-07-2013 at 10:32 PM.
mobilepaul is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to mobilepaul For This Useful Post:
captainawesome (11-08-2013)
post #10 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 07:28 PM
Senior Member
 
toolguy1000's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: westchester cnty, ny
Posts: 1,302
View toolguy1000's Photo Album My Photos
along the way, i'd upgrade that 1 hp DC to a 1.5 or even a 2 hp. a pre separator is a lot for a 1 hp to handle and maintain adequate air flow volume for effective point of generation dust collection. what is kept out of the air never has to be filtered.

there's a solution to every problem.....you just have to be willing to find it.
toolguy1000 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to toolguy1000 For This Useful Post:
captainawesome (11-08-2013)
post #11 of 22 Old 11-07-2013, 08:26 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Maurice, LA
Posts: 489
View tvman44's Photo Album My Photos
Home made is the way to go, as mentioned filters are a lot cheaper.

Bob making sawdust in SW Louisiana
with a EX-21
tvman44 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to tvman44 For This Useful Post:
captainawesome (11-08-2013)
post #12 of 22 Old 11-08-2013, 09:44 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
captainawesome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,008
View captainawesome's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by mobilepaul View Post
He told me that it is the one that he ran in the shop. I would imagine that the noise would be determined by the particular fan but the one he recommends, the Vortex 8" VTX800 does not have a published sones listing on the manufacturers site

I'll bet a larger fan from that series with one of Wynn Enviromental's Nano filters would do even better... You would just have to find a new way to marry the filter to the fan other than how Bill did it...

The 9L300 Nano has a flange of 14" so, perhaps, you could put the 12" vortex blower on there and get 1100 CFM and really suck out a workshop!

This is definitely the way I am going to go as soon as I get the workshop up and running.
Paul

Thanks for the info! If I end up going this route (which is looking like the best option right now) I would just use the setup he posted about. He said it would effectively filter his entire house in 3 hours, so it could probably clear the shop in about 3 minutes!

Now I just have to figure out the best way to mount it. I originally planned to mount it to the ceiling, but now I'm wondering if I should be mounting it off to one side of the garage and directing the exhaust side in a way that will circulate the air in the shop a little better.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mobilepaul View Post
1 micron, according to Bill, is not small enough to capture the most dangerous of the particulate. You have to get to 1/2 micron or better to get the stuff that really impacts your health. Most of the woodworking filters from Wynn are .5 micron.
That is what started to confuse me a little bit. The cartridge filter I have on my DC is 1 micron and it seemed like all of the commercially available units only filtered down to 1 micron as well. It sounded like a pointless addition to the shop until I started reading Bill's site.

Quote:
Originally Posted by toolguy1000 View Post
along the way, i'd upgrade that 1 hp DC to a 1.5 or even a 2 hp. a pre separator is a lot for a 1 hp to handle and maintain adequate air flow volume for effective point of generation dust collection. what is kept out of the air never has to be filtered.
Good to know. I always wondered just how much suction I was losing by adding the separator in there with such a small unit. Doing this as a hobby I seldom have to empty my separator, so I may sideline it for a while until I can upgrade.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tvman44 View Post
Home made is the way to go, as mentioned filters are a lot cheaper.
Replacement filters are cheap yes. The Wynn filter will be fairly expensive upfront but will be a one time purchase. All I have to do from there is clean it whenever it is needed.
captainawesome is offline  
post #13 of 22 Old 11-08-2013, 11:07 AM
Sawdust Wrangler
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: gulf coast
Posts: 482
View mobilepaul's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
Now I just have to figure out the best way to mount it. I originally planned to mount it to the ceiling, but now I'm wondering if I should be mounting it off to one side of the garage and directing the exhaust side in a way that will circulate the air in the shop a little better.
Perhaps you should keep it more mobile than a permanent mount. That way, if you were working in an area that has larger amounts of dust production you could bring it over to that area to minimize the amount of airborne contaminants that fly around the shop. Just a thought. I am considering a large base and casters for mine. That could change depending on vibrations but the manufacturer claims minimal vibration...

Paul
mobilepaul is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to mobilepaul For This Useful Post:
captainawesome (11-08-2013)
post #14 of 22 Old 12-30-2013, 01:18 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
captainawesome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,008
View captainawesome's Photo Album My Photos
I finally have an air cleaner in my shop. After much debate, I decided on buying the parts required to duplicate the design that Bill Pentz uses.

Which air filtration unit would you recommend-air-cleaner.jpg

I've only been using it for a few days, but it works great so far. That 8" fan can really move some air. I took mobilepaul's advice and went... mobile. I attached the bottom of the filter to a piece of 3/4 ply and installed some 2" casters to that. It is still a little bit top heavy but much better than nothing under it. If needed, I may cut a bigger piece of plywood for the bottom to mount the casters further out. I also bought the big elbow to stick on the top which allows me to direct the airflow.

Filter: $155.00

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001I49Q84?tag=billscyclonea-20&camp=15309&creative=331445&linkCode=st1&creativeASIN=B001I49Q84&adid=182A08S5GSXKYCH3WGPE&ref-refURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billpentz.com%2Fwoodworking%2Fcyclone%2Fair_cleaner.cfm: $178.25

Elbow: $9.99

TOTAL: $343.24
Jet model: $369.99 (the alternative I was considering)

If you are thinking about purchasing an air filter, give this option serious consideration.
captainawesome is offline  
post #15 of 22 Old 12-30-2013, 05:04 PM
Sawdust Wrangler
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: gulf coast
Posts: 482
View mobilepaul's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
I finally have an air cleaner in my shop. After much debate, I decided on buying the parts required to duplicate the design that Bill Pentz uses.

Attachment 85740

I've only been using it for a few days, but it works great so far. That 8" fan can really move some air. I took mobilepaul's advice and went... mobile. I attached the bottom of the filter to a piece of 3/4 ply and installed some 2" casters to that. It is still a little bit top heavy but much better than nothing under it. If needed, I may cut a bigger piece of plywood for the bottom to mount the casters further out. I also bought the big elbow to stick on the top which allows me to direct the airflow.

Filter: $155.00

Blower: $178.25

Elbow: $9.99

TOTAL: $343.24
Jet model: $369.99 (the alternative I was considering)

If you are thinking about purchasing an air filter, give this option serious consideration.
Man, that looks great! I am going to build one just like it as soon as I get my new Clearvue DC installed. Take a piece of lead or something else that really heavy for it's size and attach it below the plywood, that will help lower the effective center of gravity. Or, add a larger piece of plywood...

Great job!

Paul

Just a side note, Bill told me the other day that he is working on an new and improved shopvac separator and should have that out in a few months. It will be different than the one on his site better flow better separation.

Last edited by mobilepaul; 12-30-2013 at 05:08 PM.
mobilepaul is offline  
post #16 of 22 Old 01-01-2014, 10:46 AM
Wood machinist
 
difalkner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: NW Louisiana
Posts: 3,919
View difalkner's Photo Album My Photos
10 lb. weight is less than $10 from Walmart and would do the trick for stability - http://www.walmart.com/ip/Gold-s-Gym...Plate/21695189. Just mount it under the plate between the casters. You probably won't have to modify anything at all, either.
difalkner is online now  
post #17 of 22 Old 01-01-2014, 03:14 PM
Sawdust Wrangler
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: gulf coast
Posts: 482
View mobilepaul's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by difalkner View Post
10 lb. weight is less than $10 from Walmart and would do the trick for stability - http://www.walmart.com/ip/Gold-s-Gym...Plate/21695189. Just mount it under the plate between the casters. You probably won't have to modify anything at all, either.
Good Idea
mobilepaul is offline  
post #18 of 22 Old 01-07-2014, 04:32 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Portland Oregon Metro Area
Posts: 471
View ORBlackFZ1's Photo Album My Photos
Nice looking unit!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
I finally have an air cleaner in my shop. After much debate, I decided on buying the parts required to duplicate the design that Bill Pentz uses.

Attachment 85740

I've only been using it for a few days, but it works great so far. That 8" fan can really move some air. I took mobilepaul's advice and went... mobile. I attached the bottom of the filter to a piece of 3/4 ply and installed some 2" casters to that. It is still a little bit top heavy but much better than nothing under it. If needed, I may cut a bigger piece of plywood for the bottom to mount the casters further out. I also bought the big elbow to stick on the top which allows me to direct the airflow.

Filter: $155.00

Blower: $178.25

Elbow: $9.99

TOTAL: $343.24
Jet model: $369.99 (the alternative I was considering)

If you are thinking about purchasing an air filter, give this option serious consideration.
I like it. I may have to sell my two (2) Jet AFS-1000 units and make one like yours!

Eric
ORBlackFZ1 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to ORBlackFZ1 For This Useful Post:
captainawesome (01-07-2014)
post #19 of 22 Old 01-07-2014, 04:36 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Portland Oregon Metro Area
Posts: 471
View ORBlackFZ1's Photo Album My Photos
Here is an interesting web page by one of my favorite no nonsense woodworkers....

http://woodgears.ca/dust/dylos.html

Even if you don't read the whole page, check out the video that is about two-thirds down the page. It helped me to get a better perspective on the subject of dust collection! Now I can go back to enjoying woodworking in my shop.......

I am going to order one of the Dylos air quality meters, so I have a semi-quantitative method for measuring any changes that I make to my dust collection. For $260, it seems like an inexpensive way to make sure any changes that I do are improving my woodshop air quality.

Eric
ORBlackFZ1 is offline  
post #20 of 22 Old 02-10-2014, 01:35 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 51
View jokker78's Photo Album My Photos
How long will the filter last?
jokker78 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Woodworking Talk - Woodworkers Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Air filtration unit as spray booth Exhaust maxman10 Design & Plans 5 04-22-2013 07:23 PM
Best location and direction to put air filtration unit? mwhals General Woodworking Discussion 12 05-07-2011 09:17 AM
Another homemade filtration unit... maybe bofa Design & Plans 9 11-07-2010 08:27 AM
What would you recommend? rocklobster Woodturning 9 07-27-2010 11:32 AM
jet afs-400 air filtration Phone60 Power Tools & Machinery 12 01-26-2010 10:51 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome