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Hello from south side of CLE

I'm Mark, retired, turning to long-neglected interests, one of which is woodworking. I just got some wood and a plane and I'm trying to get good shavings. I'm going at it like a mole -- just putting one foot in front of the other. Right now, I am interested and very curious as to how, traditionally, artisans carved detailed figures into very hard woods. I can't think past knives and chisels, which seem coarse and incapable of getting fine, smooth, detailed figuration.
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Right now, I am interested and very curious as to how, traditionally, artisans carved detailed figures into very hard woods.
hi Mark, welcome to the forum !!
what kind of figures are you interested in carving ??
very hard wood carving takes time - lots of time. and continuous sharpening.
also, hand-held grinders are used.
but, first of all, you have to have a skill and a vision.
there is a new member here that posts frequently on his beautiful carved projects.
just look around the internet and let us know what you are interested in as a first project.
do you have any carving knives or other tools ??

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Welcome to the forum, Mark! We do like photos so show us your shop, tools, projects, etc. whenever you're ready.

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hi Mark, welcome to the forum !!
what kind of figures are you interested in carving ??
very hard wood carving takes time - lots of time. and continuous sharpening.
also, hand-held grinders are used.
but, first of all, you have to have a skill and a vision.
there is a new member here that posts frequently on his beautiful carved projects.
just look around the internet and let us know what you are interested in as a first project.
do you have any carving knives or other tools ??

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HI, John. I look at things like table legs of hard woods carved into beautiful smooth floral designs, all four legs the same, for only one example. Some of these were done in the pre-electrical era, obviously by hand. I suppose if the Denisovans could carve jade 40,000 years ago, wood no matter how hard must be easier, but I can't imagine how it's done. I don't yet have my own current thoughts/designs in 'ready-to-execute' stages, just sketches, but as I sketch, I wonder how in the world such curving lines and details can be put into hard woods. I understand that I have it all to learn yet, and that's why I registered here! I have only the motley collection of general tools that every guy accumulates over a lifetime. I had to go buy a plane a couple weeks ago. All my life, in the back of my mind, I've 'fantasized' about being an apprentice to a master woodworker, but no such opportunities ever floated close enough to my life-boat. I hope that, to some extent, this forum can serve at least the verbal element of a master-apprentice relationship. I'm pretty sure I can come up with designs. I spent a couple years in art school at Cleveland State in the late seventies doing the various 'studio arts'. More recently, still a couple years ago, I carved soft stone with hand tools.
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Welcome to the forum, Mark! We do like photos so show us your shop, tools, projects, etc. whenever you're ready.

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I've cleared a corner in a small dirty overcrowded garage. I live on a fixed income. I have all the tools and gear yet to be acquired. I just taught myself to set up a plane and get good shavings. I'm not likely to be posting too many pictures! Two days ago, I brought home a Craftsman band saw and jig saw from the 1940s/1950s from a guy who was moving on from them. Models in the '103' range. Even these purchases elicited ire from my wife. I need to get somehow only the most essential tools and put them to good use.
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hi Mark, welcome to the forum !!
what kind of figures are you interested in carving ??
very hard wood carving takes time - lots of time. and continuous sharpening.
also, hand-held grinders are used.
but, first of all, you have to have a skill and a vision.
there is a new member here that posts frequently on his beautiful carved projects.
just look around the internet and let us know what you are interested in as a first project.
do you have any carving knives or other tools ??

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Shoot! I replied and touched the phone screen somehow and lost the reply! I'm on my laptop now.

I just have the array of general tools that guys typically accumulate over a lifetime. I mentioned that I only just bought and learned to use a plane. I also got a sharpening plate and jig.

I need to know how carving in hard wood is accomplished traditionally. I have some experience with soft stone carving and those hand tools, but that's a different world. If anyone knows of a/some book(s) that show and explain the techniques, I'd be obliged! Can you tell me, which tool(s) is used for carving hard woods (not basswood)? Is it all the same hand knives and gouges, just sharper, and slower? If anyone can send a link, I'd appreciate it. I've got a couple rasps coming from China/Aliexpress now.
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Shoot! I replied and touched the phone screen somehow and lost the reply! I'm on my laptop now.
It was there, Mark. It was just in moderation because you don't have many posts but that will soon not be an issue as you get more involved (I approved it).

One tip, however, even if you're on your phone is to use some carriage returns. When you type in large blocks we have a tendency to skip over the text because it's difficult to read.

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I've cleared a corner in a small dirty overcrowded garage. I live on a fixed income. I have all the tools and gear yet to be acquired. I just taught myself to set up a plane and get good shavings. I'm not likely to be posting too many pictures! Two days ago, I brought home a Craftsman band saw and jig saw from the 1940s/1950s from a guy who was moving on from them. Models in the '103' range. Even these purchases elicited ire from my wife. I need to get somehow only the most essential tools and put them to good use.
That's a clean looking bandsaw but I'm curious, do you have alignment issues with the three wheels?

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[...] do you have alignment issues with the three wheels?

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Yes. The wheel directly above the cut has the blade running right on and sometimes over the outside edge. The lower frontal and rearward wheels are aligned to each other.

I found the manuals for them both and need to do some close reading.

Here are some photos of the jig saw. It appears to only be missing the 'hold down foot'.
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OK. I'm discovering videos on youtube. I'm seeing the chisels and gouges being used, mostly on basswood, though. It's helpful to see the work being done.
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That's also a clean looking scroll saw. I also have an old one - good tools!

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Look at any of the threads created by @classicwoodworking, whose name is Yamato.

Nearly all of the threads include a video showing how he does intricate carving in hardwoods. Some of them are virtual "how-to" guides which show the steps in the process. I am very impressed with the quality he achieves with basic tools and a lot of skill, acquired through much practice and experience.

This search link brings all the classicwoodworking threads for me, but I don't know if it works for everyone. Give it a try:
https://www.woodworkingtalk.com/sear...rchid=13152385
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HI, John. I look at things like table legs of hard woods carved into beautiful smooth floral designs, all four legs the same, for only one example. Some of these were done in the pre-electrical era, obviously by hand.
Hello mark,
Incidentally, I have made a video exactly what you need
You can watch the video at: https://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f30/...-style-223159/
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That's also a clean looking scroll saw. I also have an old one - good tools!

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It seems like forever since I've handled something that wasn't plastic! Both of these machines are simple, aesthetically well designed, and made of heavy iron and steel. The world has changed since then!
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After seeing Yamato's work, I ordered a set of Schaaf chisels, based on a compromise between quality and my near-zero budget. I can see how it's done now, and I'm anxious to get started. I still need to get the band saw and jig saw set up and 'tuned up', continue organizing and clearing a space in the garage, go get some wood. Looks like I'll be spending a lot of time out in the garage this fall and winter, huddled close to my little heater! Fortunately, it's a small garage and shouldn't be too hard to heat.
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Mark - when you get time, look for some large pieces of "one by" bass wood
to start practicing your carving. or even soft white pine will work.
simple designs like a lotus flower for starters and move up from there.
oh - and some nice sharpening stones is a must.
looking forward to following your journey !!

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