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Would be nice if someone decided to start up a sketchup class in this forum.
Just something plain and simple. Once I get the basics, I can learn from there.
A class on here could be started with somehing simple like just setting up your screen and then ONLY one little step in a lesson. Even a new lesson each week woud be great. Something really simple to get us started.

I am slow with the beginnings of learning but pick up fast after I gain the basic idea. Right now I am happy with graph paper but 3D would be better.

For lessons, I could use my tablet and 'draw' on my ;laptop at the same time.

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Hmmm...????

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Would be nice if someone decided to start up a sketchup class in this forum.
Just something plain and simple. Once I get the basics, I can learn from there.
A class on here could be started with somehing simple like just setting up your screen and then ONLY one little step in a lesson. Even a new lesson each week woud be great. Something really simple to get us started.

I am slow with the beginnings of learning but pick up fast after I gain the basic idea. Right now I am happy with graph paper but 3D would be better.

For lessons, I could use my tablet and 'draw' on my ;laptop at the same time.
Criminy Tony...???...I thought there was something like that here already...I can't find it so guess I was mistaken!!!



If you down load the "free version" onto you laptop (you can't do to much but "view" stuff with a Tablet) ..then start the thread...I'll follow and help when and where I can...

There is also some great stuff on line from Sketchup for assistance as well...but having it here under "one roof" would be nice for forum members...I agree!
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Hey Jay

I knew you would like to help with this. It's just too tempting to pass up.
I will try to down load it tonight. Internet is slow right now, but I will give it a chance.

Thanks for the Cameo Appearance. I will get back with you for sure.

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I looked at Sketchup a while ago, but gave up without really trying. I am very comfortable with computers, but not with graphic art applications. At the time, Sketchup was an application that you downloaded and installed on your own computer. This thread caused me to take another look at Sketchup. I have a complex project that I might want to do, and paper and pencil are not working, yet. Sketchup skills would help.

-> I was surprised to find that the free version of Sketchup is online only, which I do not like. It runs in your browser. You work with it in your browser, and save your work on their servers on the internet. I don't like that.

It was a challenging search to find the old free standalone versions of Sketchup ("Sketchup Make 2017") to download from Trimble's website, but I found them. (Don't be tempted by those download aggregator websites, who will install all kinds of malware on your computer!) Those 2017 versions are no longer supported with updates, etc.

I installed the Mac version of Sketchup Make 2017, but I could not find a way to activate the free version. I was prompted to enter a Pro license, or I could activate a 30 day trial. No free offering was found. I have not yet tested the Windows version.

As far as I can tell, it is no longer possible to obtain and activate a free version of the standalone Sketchup application, at least for Mac. I will test the Windows version later.

Does anyone know how to activate the standalone application, or is it not possible any longer?
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...I looked at Sketchup a while ago, but gave up without really trying. I am very comfortable with computers, but not with graphic art applications. At the time, Sketchup was an application that you downloaded and installed on your own computer. This thread caused me to take another look at Sketchup. I have a complex project that I might want to do, and paper and pencil are not working, yet. Sketchup skills would help.
Hey Tool Agnostic,

You know...??...I don't think Tony would mind if you started the thread at all. Then we could use your "complex project" as the boiler plate to learn off of...If your open for that?

I am not (nor do I claim at all...!!!!) to being an expert with the program...I'm simply not realy (by comparison) that good at all with it...LMAO..

What I can offer is the following:

1. My experience goes back to the year 2006 when Google launched a free downloadable version called SketchUp. I was trying to dedicate myself to not being so much of a "Luddite." Alas I still don't own or carry a cell phone...!!!......but I did start using a computer more and writing a lot more!!! By 2004 I was designing my timber frames and other projects with it...Though I still enjoy illustrations and traditional blue printing/drafting skills a great deal!!!


2. With that above 13 years of experience...I have now graduated to the "pro-version" of the program so I can have better interaction with architects, PE, and clients that have demands for full professional level blue printing of there projects in design and architecture...

3. This is my favorite...Teaching!!!...and I have helped teaching programs with populations from Kindergarten to folks like here on the forum. I would note that Sketchup was a Google Launch project for education...not money!!!...

Wiki has actually a very informative article on the origins and company that is a short and good read to understand its roots much better...Find it at: Sketchup on Wiki


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...-> I was surprised to find that the free version of Sketchup is online only, which I do not like. It runs in your browser. You work with it in your browser, and save your work on their servers on the internet. I don't like that.
...I don't (didn't!!!!) like it either...NOT ONE BIT!!!...and I thought it was a big pile of when they did it...

Now, with that venting out of the way, I will share that I understand now why they did it from both a "good business" approach (more control-less logistical updating of to many versions)...and the academic since most schools are "connected."

What I can share is that if you down load the "free version" you get a "free" 30 day trial of the pro-version of the program (AWESOME!!!) but after those 30 days it will revert to "free desktop version SketchUp Make 2017" and that program will never be updated or change here forth...BUT...it is on your own computer with all the control in your hands...!!!

I recommend having both, the "virtual program" (with its updates and great support) and the desk top version so you are afforded the chance to not be "connected!"

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...It was a challenging search to find the old free standalone versions of Sketchup ("Sketchup Make 2017") to download from Trimble's website, but I found them. (Don't be tempted by those download aggregator websites, who will install all kinds of malware on your computer!) Those 2017 versions are no longer supported with updates, etc.
Great advise!!!

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...I installed the Mac version of Sketchup Make 2017, but I could not find a way to activate the free version. I was prompted to enter a Pro license, or I could activate a 30 day trial. No free offering was found. I have not yet tested the Windows version.
I'm not a "mac" based person...I actually HATE!!! the company Apple because of some their proprietary shenanigans and "built in" fail point engineering they do among other crap they pull...I can also share that many PE don't use "mac" for the "meat and potato" work they do...only for client interaction and some presentation work do they even own Apple products...

With that said, just down load the free version of Pro...and wait...it will revert to "Sketchup Make 2017" all on its own...

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...As far as I can tell, it is no longer possible to obtain and activate a free version of the standalone Sketchup application, at least for Mac. I will test the Windows version later.
Let me know if I can help further...???...I think you can if you just get the pro version...and then wait...but if I'm wrong, that's new and I need to know it!?

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...Does anyone know how to activate the standalone application, or is it not possible any longer?
See above...Good luck!!!

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There are many tutorials on you tube. I did a search for "sketchup for woodworkers" and came up with several videos on getting started.
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Hey Tool Agnostic,

You know...??...I don't think Tony would mind if you started the thread at all. Then we could use your "complex project" as the boiler plate to learn off of...If your open for that?
Thank you for the thoughtful offer, but I must decline for many reasons. If Tony isn't ready, then maybe someone else can volunteer.

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I am not (nor do I claim at all...!!!!) to being an expert with the program...I'm simply not realy (by comparison) that good at all with it...LMAO..

What I can offer is the following:

[... Lots of helpful info follows ...]

What I can share is that if you down load the "free version" you get a "free" 30 day trial of the pro-version of the program (AWESOME!!!) but after those 30 days it will revert to "free desktop version SketchUp Make 2017" and that program will never be updated or change here forth...BUT...it is on your own computer with all the control in your hands...!!!

I recommend having both, the "virtual program" (with its updates and great support) and the desk top version so you are afforded the chance to not be "connected!"
Thank you for this helpful hint. I will activate the trial, and come back to this thread when the trial expires, to let people know if it still reverts to the freeware version.

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I'm not a "mac" based person...I actually HATE!!! the company Apple because of some their proprietary shenanigans and "built in" fail point engineering they do among other crap they pull...I can also share that many PE don't use "mac" for the "meat and potato" work they do...only for client interaction and some presentation work do they even own Apple products...

With that said, just down load the free version of Pro...and wait...it will revert to "Sketchup Make 2017" all on its own...
I respect your feelings about Apple and Macs. I wonder if you are the only one. :-)

I use a Mac because it can run many different operating systems.

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Let me know if I can help further...???...I think you can if you just get the pro version...and then wait...but if I'm wrong, that's new and I need to know it!?
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See above...Good luck!!!
j
Thanks again for the crucial hint to run the program locally, instead of the browser version.
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I downloaded sketchup from a link when I googled 'free download of sketchup for Windows 7'. I was able to download and pulled up a shape or 2 but was not able to do anything else with it. When I shut it down, it was gone. There were no links on my desktop for sketchup nor could I find it on my laptop by searching.

So, what happened to it?

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I downloaded sketchup from a link when I googled 'free download of sketchup for Windows 7'. I was able to download and pulled up a shape or 2 but was not able to do anything else with it. When I shut it down, it was gone. There were no links on my desktop for sketchup nor could I find it on my laptop by searching.

So, what happened to it?
Hey Tony...That would be a challenge to diagnose (for me) without being there with you...

I can say, that you will want at least a "wireless mouse" if you don't have one to use the program well...Check with the Sketchup folks and/or download again, if you haven't...

Sorry you had that issue...

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When I installed mine, it was called sketchup make 2016. I have since tried to install newer versions, but couldn't due to my video card in my computer is not 100% compatible. Other than that I have used sketchup since version 8. There differences have all seemed to be un-noticeable to me. After the trial period ends, as I remember there are two additional Ikons (shortcuts) on the desktop that will no longer work...but the sketchup program itself still does everything any woodworker would want. In other words, sketchup does not loose any functionality at all.


To begin using it, I suggest not having a particular project in mind. Just start by learning to draw lines, and make shapes with lines. When you get comfortable with lines to make a shape, you can progress to learning how to rotate it using the orbit tool to view at different angles. After that, use the rectangle tool to make a square or box shape then use the push/pull tool to manipulate it's size. By starting out...just playing with the various tools with no project in mind will make learning to use the program easier to understand. after successfully learning to make a cube, you can add dimensions...then use the push/pull tool to alter it's shape and see the dimensions change as you alter it. You can zoom in and out using the wheel on your mouse for a better view. You can save what you've done and come back to it later by selecting your saved project from the drop down file menu. Practice, practice, practice and it will become easier. There are many here that will bombard/overload you with things that the program will do...but if you allow yourself to take baby steps at first you can and will get more proficient at using sketchup. Best wishes.
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I installed 2017 Sketchup Make on my Mac. I am running it in 30 day trial mode. I will let everyone know if it reverts to the freeware version after the trial expires.

Even though it is a standalone program on my Mac, it keeps trying to get me to run the browser-based version. Each time I launch the application, it opens a window that offers a link to the browser version. It says, "Say hello to
SketchUp Free. The future of free 3D modeling is here: try SketchUp in a web browser today."
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I installed 2017 Sketchup Make on my Mac. I am running it in 30 day trial mode. I will let everyone know if it reverts to the freeware version after the trial expires.

Even though it is a standalone program on my Mac, it keeps trying to get me to run the browser-based version. Each time I launch the application, it opens a window that offers a link to the browser version. It says, "Say hello to SketchUp Free. The future of free 3D modeling is here: try SketchUp in a web browser today."
To be honest, I have not run Sketchup since my last post. I was updating my Mac and I saw Sketchup in my Applications folder, which reminded me to launch it to see what would happen with the license. Remember, this is a Mac.

I launched Sketchup, and the license window appeared, informing me that my trial license has expired. There were various buttons and links to try and get me to use the online version. At the bottom, there were two buttons labeled "Exit" and "Continue" without documentation.

I clicked Continue. The license now reads, Licensed to: SketchUp Make 2017 User; Licensed for: Non-commercial use only; Serial number: MAKE. Now I can run it as a standalone application, which is what I wanted.

I assume that something similar would happen under Windows.

Thank you to everyone for their help and especially to @Jay C. White Cloud who suggested waiting out the 30 day trial period for the software to revert to the non-commercial standalone version.
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To be honest, I have not run Sketchup since my last post. I was updating my Mac and I saw Sketchup in my Applications folder, which reminded me to launch it to see what would happen with the license. Remember, this is a Mac.

I launched Sketchup, and the license window appeared, informing me that my trial license has expired. There were various buttons and links to try and get me to use the online version. At the bottom, there were two buttons labeled "Exit" and "Continue" without documentation.

I clicked Continue. The license now reads, Licensed to: SketchUp Make 2017 User; Licensed for: Non-commercial use only; Serial number: MAKE. Now I can run it as a standalone application, which is what I wanted.

I assume that something similar would happen under Windows.

Thank you to everyone for their help and especially to @Jay C. White Cloud who suggested waiting out the 30 day trial period for the software to revert to the non-commercial standalone version.
Blessings...and good luck!

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Yes. After about 50 hours I was decent and after 100 hours I can work well in the program with straight linear stuff mostly 90 degree and 45 degree angles but for curves and using follow me tool still have a ways to go. If you really have the need it is worth it.
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Love the add on that let's me print out a full cut list for the project.

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Where does one find that add on? . . . I need that translation from making a project in Sketchup and getting actionable info into my shop to build stuff . . .
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Where does one find that add on? . . . I need that translation from making a project in Sketchup and getting actionable info into my shop to build stuff . . .
https://extensions.sketchup.com/en/content/cutlist

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Thanks so much for that, Amish. After playing around with Sketchup for about 5 hours, I made the cuts for my first project out of it. Great program!
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Sketchup is 'relatively' easy but far from EZ

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Is anyone else super intimidated by sketchup? It feels so hard to start in a computer and think everything through.

Plan to spend 50 to 100 hrs to learn right angles and straight pieces but compound curves that's a different game. You have to decide if it's worth it.

I got tired of paper and pencil. While I still use paper once it is time to workout specific dimensions I fire up SU.because there is nothing like having a 3D drawing to scale. Last year I designed a complex deck and no way would I do that on paper and figure out the dimensions as I went along that's where you get the payoff.

Use the SU forum: https://forums.sketchup.com/ ***SUPER COOL*** thing is if you get stuck you can save and email the file which is tiny and someone else can open it up and tell you what is wrong.

If you are serious PM me and I will email you my custom guide.

You need to learn how the program expects to be used or you will be working against it. For example, how to enter fractions -- you don't "draw" a 2x4 you draw a rectangle and enter the dimensions and it appears like magic. To make more of the same piece copy / paste (x5) to duplicate a set of 5 boards spaced 16" OC. But when you don't know that you will drive yourself crazy trying to hand draw pieces and align them.

You also need to magnify lines so SU will "inference" the correct point and you can't drag a board to a blank wall - nothing to inference - there's a method for that too. I was lost at first but gained the knowlege with lots of practice including spending an hour or more in what I can now do in seconds!

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I feel like I miss a lot by not knowing very much about computers. I would like to make some segmented bowls but I get lost in the program they make for cutting the parts.

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Thanks so much for that, Amish. After playing around with Sketchup for about 5 hours, I made the cuts for my first project out of it. Great program!


I enjoy drafting stuff up. I am learning Sketch Up. I found after I draft it all up and get it just perfect the desire to go out in the wood shop and build it is gone...I already built it in the computer. GRIN!


I have a lot to learn again. I took the videos on youtube and cleaned up the lip smacking that was annoying me and they are great videos for refreshing and relearning Sketch up. I saved them on my pc in the edited format and will watch them if I can't figure something out. GREAT Resources.

I really like the library that they have online that you can download free plans to stuff people draft up. Tons of neat tools it all just takes time.

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