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post #21 of 37 Old 02-24-2011, 05:01 PM
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He lives in Montana where the auto insurance rates are by far cheaper than any other state. In fact, some drivers quality for free insurance in that state.


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I just made all that up.










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You almost had me on that one.
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Nj sucks not bad for trees tho:)
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The trailer I have if you put in on the highest sensitivity it'll stop your truck DEAD(ha if they don't fail). I also drive 20 below the speed limit when I have a big load too. Ya I've been looking for a 1 ton junker but on craiglist there above 3000$ still now let's say I get a 89 f-250 you think that would be rated for at least 10000lbs?
Probably not.

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post #24 of 37 Old 02-24-2011, 08:51 PM
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I'm little confuzzled in that last sentence
I assume you meant my last sentence. I meant the sticker inside my drivers door lists legal weights and such, but, and I will use my F250 as an example, all of the brakes were worn out, every rubber bushing in the suspension is dry rotted from age, a rear shock mount is bent up(just noticed), the u joints are have a bit of slop, the radiator is clogged with 22 years of crud, and the clutch has a lot of miles on it. I am just saying mine would be legal but probably not up to towing its max unless I fixed everything(which I almost done with), and your Dodge would not be legal but may be more capable than a beater. If you do get the F250, I have some great upgrade suggestions for hauling (F350 springs, Hydroboost off an F450 Super Duty, etc.)

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Jefferythree,

DON'T BELIEVE everything a salesman tells you UNLESS HE/SHE can verify it in writing. The GCVW of a 250 SHOULD NOT BE 17,000 or near, I'm not even sure their ton truck will be close to that. It's been a few years since purchasing and checking these actual plated #'s but Fords F-450 might and their 550 GCVW was around 25,000. I chose the F-650 due to my tool trailer is maxed in wieght AND IF (and will) electric brakes fail/wear down the truck can truly handle the extra wieght.

YES I misinformedly pulled same trailer with F250 HD desiel, YES it would pull it, YES it would stop PROVIDED no electric brake issues BUT was not LEGAL OR CORRECT and after much looking back as dangerous as a cocked hair-triggered gun on a bumpy road in hand. The Lord opened my eyes and I changed from "all about me" to "regards to others" including safety.

Helper springs/shocks/bags that are designed for that specific truck are great....BUT... tongue weight can be adjusted by placement of load BUT... you still need the tongue wieght for correct balance and safety and don't overload your GCVW #'s. Helpers are good for hauling consistantly at max vehicle ratings BUT doesn't change all the other factory spec'd parts for weight rating.

This is not easy decisions, "been there, done that", but the final is safety of others. You may choose to risk your life ( that's YOUR CHOICE) but on the roads and highways your risking others.

Have a Blessed day and remember other lives,

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I am not sure why you singled me out and had to yell, but you made me get in the glove box and see if I had the manual. 14k GCWR on my truck, 1k more if it was auto. The next higher axle ratio was 17k. Some of the 460's with auto get up to 22-23k GCWR, but the auto with 4.10s was 18500. Ibangwood did not say diesel or gas; so the diesel would get him a 8-9k max trailer weight and the 460 with auto and 4.10's giving a 12k max trailer weight.

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I am not sure why you singled me out and had to yell, . . . .
I know Tim can speak for himself & sure he will but I'll chime in early and give my take on it. On every forum you'll have members that don't realize people can read just as well as they can, and that those people can also determine which parts of the paragraph/sentence are making the more important points of their statements.

I can't explain why they believe they're able to read the other 99% of the posts by other member who do not chronically use various emphasis such as CAPS or bold or underlined or italicized or colored text or ALL OF THEM ad infinitum, but for whatever reason they believe us other 99%ers are not as able to discern as well as they.

But I don't think he singled you out and was yelling at you only - I think he was yelling at all of us poor inept 99 percenters who need help to determine what parts are the MOST important.


But I won't say anything about it and I'll just let Tim speak for himself.






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Appreciate alll the info you've given me jeffreythree and WHEN I DO get one haba I will be looking foreward to the ugrades you have on mind. Maybe Tennessee tim works for OSHA lol. I love modifying stuff.. People worry to much about specs. It's simple.. If it works it works if not fix it. If you can make something better then WHY NOT. but like ALWAYS, you test something before you use it
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Let me give my qualifications here. My first career was as an ASE certified mechanic specializing in brakes, suspension, and air conditioning systems. Admittedly it has been a LONG time since I spun a wrench professionally, but the basics are all still the same.

Towing ratings are based on a LOT of factors, engine, transmission, differential, brakes, even frame. While payload capacity can be improved through helper springs, towing capacity is pretty much limited. Yes booster springs / air bags will help a little bit, but not by enough to really matter. If you need more than your 1/2 ton can handle, look for a 3/4 or 1 ton, or look to another MFG with a half ton that offers the tow rating you want. They are out there... I am not certain, but I think the upper limit for tow ratings on current half ton trucks is around 11K lbs (Ford F150), since I am not a Chevy guy I can't state what they run nowadays, and I think the Dodges still are in the range of what yours is... There are of course the imports, but hey, let's try to stay American shall we?

Now to the point of the load you are wanting to haul. Let's start off with, how much weight are you actually trying to haul? How heavy is the trailer? How heavy is the average log you are trying to haul? Do the math and see what your truck can pull safely without modding it. You might be surprised. I borrowed a friends 20ft dual axle landscape trailer (850 lbs dry), loaded it up front to back, side to side, 3' deep (its's as high as the sides went) with cut up pecan limbs and scraps. (cut off branches, leaves and the like)Total weight ~6500lbs including trailer (access to DOT scales varies by state...). You may be shocked to see you are under what you think you are, then again, you may be over as well!

You may want to check out the tables over HERE to see what various wood species weighs at what moisture content...

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Along with all the above info

Axles themselves are load rated as I said way above. There's even 2 types of 14 bolt Gm's a limited use in 2500's and the standard 1/2 ton.the 3/4 ton is full floating, and rated at 7000 and the 1/2 ton is semi-floating:
http://www.chuckschevytruckpages.com/14bolt.html

Here's some air bag info:
http://store.gaugemagazine.com/02-08...r-bag-kit.aspx

http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/index....oducts_id=6530

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)
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wow i didn't know caps was yelling, i thought it was emphasizing/stressing a point. that wasn't too loud was it.

JEFFERY,(LOL, got your attention now) I wasn't yelling at you or any others and I APOLOGIZE ( I hope everyone heard that even though it didn't peck any louder) AND I stand corrected according to your info in the glovebox, but it doesn't match to my recollection what the older Ford or Chevys of same size/3/4 ton spec'd., but I've been wrong once today according to your specs.

I just gave an opinion as others have and I thought the 17,000 was way out of line.

TT, I'm a big boy and can take my DUE/UNDUE lashes. Jesus was lashed for speaking the TRUTH, all I ask is read ALL of my post which also stated things can be tweeked/updated but stay to the side of SAFETY ( YEP, I YELLED THAT!!!!)

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With all the suggestions for beafin' up a standard truck, anything done to increase load capacity will affect other parts. So, if you don't plan on upgrading all the parts to comply, I have a distinct feeling that there's gonna be failure somewhere. Could be something as small as a wheel bearing, or a ball joint.

And we can't forget the damage to that vehicle in front that stops fast, and you smash the back of it into smithereens, while your foot is bending the brake pedal. DAMHIKT.








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Towing a trailer loaded more than the trucks rating may cause trailer sway. That is a very unpleasant experience. (DAMHIKT)
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Towing a trailer loaded more than the trucks rating may cause trailer sway. That is a very unpleasant experience. (DAMHIKT)

That could be attributed to poor load distribution.








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You can only "beef up" a truck or trailer so much, because after that you exceed the tires' ability to handle the load. Tires are always the limiting factor when it comes to actual weight. So you have to add more tires which means more axles which means more weight which means permits by now which means . . . . . .


















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TT, I'm a big boy and can take my DUE/UNDUE lashes.
Nobody be given ya lashes my brutha. Nobody be pickin on ya. Nobody be thinkin bad of ya. We just be doin' what we do amongst brutha's . . . brutha.






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should be around 8k. get a 2500 or 3500 and be done with it.
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