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More like a handyman coming into your home when you're not there and fixing the broken sink before it floods the whole house.
Not quite. It would be more like a know-it-all handyman coming into your shop and fixing things that aren't broken, regardless whether you want them messed with or not. Software companies no longer do the rigorous testing they used to do before issuing updates, which is why updates are issued so frequently. If you've been around computers long enough, you should remember the days when software updates were infrequent enough, and needed so much less, that they came with single-digit suffixes.

More computer problems are caused by faulty updates than any other reason. Most reported "viruses" are actually bad side effects from poor updates.
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one thing that no one mentioned about 10, is that MS can send updates down the line any time they want to. in essence, they have control of your computer and can do anything they want to with it. i have 10 at work and 7 at home. it would be like me coming into your shop and using your tools whether your there or not. its a privacy issue with me.

You are mixing apples, oranges and even peanut butter here in your analogy.


It would not be a wise thing to do, but you do have the option of not accepting automatic updates.


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Windows 10 is a spy machine.

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It would not be a wise thing to do, but you do have the option of not accepting automatic updates.
No...no you don't have that option.



Even if you disable the Windows Update Service (which should be an absolute killer to any process), they have built in a back door that will reactivate the service over time. Welcome to socialism 101, where you can no longer decide for yourself.
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I think one thing alot of people dont realize is basically is that microsoft is letting you use their software. Read the fine print and that gives them every legal right to update their software. It sucks I know but hey if you want to have a OS that you can call your own then go the Linux route and Linux has gotten more easier to use since the earlier versions, alot of them have easy to use desktops still a pain when loading drivers but hey its getting easier.
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Windows 10 is a spy machine.

That may be so,but if you read the EULA for Windows 7 it did much of the same.In a rare defence of Microsoft I will say that they are a million times less intrusive than Google's Android OS.
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I think one thing alot of people dont realize is basically is that microsoft is letting you use their software. Read the fine print and that gives them every legal right to update their software. It sucks I know but hey if you want to have a OS that you can call your own then go the Linux route and Linux has gotten more easier to use since the earlier versions, alot of them have easy to use desktops still a pain when loading drivers but hey its getting easier.

Now, if they just had some companies writing software to use in Linux.


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That may be so,but if you read the EULA for Windows 7 it did much of the same.In a rare defence of Microsoft I will say that they are a million times less intrusive than Google's Android OS.
In Win7 you can turn it off. In Win10 you can't. Corona is the main spy program. Win10 has a built in key logger. I trust MS as much as I trust Samsung, Apple and Huawei with my data. They are all thieves and have programs and back doors to access your data. For the most part unfortunately you need to use some of them if you'd like to live in the modern world.

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In Win7 you can turn it off. In Win10 you can't. Corona is the main spy program. Win10 has a built in key logger. I trust MS as much as I trust Samsung, Apple and Huawei with my data. They are all thieves and have programs and back doors to access your data. For the most part unfortunately you need to use some of them if you'd like to live in the modern world.

What kind of "data" are you concerned about?


About the only thing on my computer that I consider "data" is what is stored and processed by my various forms of Quicken/Turbo Tax.


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I personally liked the stone tablet methods. They last for millions of years. However All my computers are windows 10 I have upgraded 3 of them and the latest came out with 10 on them. Most stable platform I have ever used. Boot up time is seconds and anyone that wants to keep the old stuff... I had a xpro system running for 13 years or so. Replaced the power supply on it and only used it to serve webpages. Didn't' surf the web with it or run any programs on it except a virus software and the webserver software. Updates were turned off many years ago. Hard drive started getting bad sectors and it was time to upgrade. Bought a refurbished win 10 system and parked the old server on the shelf for just in case.

I work with Broadband connections daily. I see some really old computers out there and I ask them WHY are you doing that? Do you realize that the new windows is this and that and it makes your system well not worth working on for me. I just grin at them and say GOOD LUCK with that and move on to the next system that boots up in a few seconds and rarely has issues. Where I used to pay two grand for systems they are now priced well below 300.00 for entry level systems. If one likes a 2 minute boot up and screen lockups and slow response times no AUTOMATED SUPPORT hang on to that old stuff.
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What kind of "data" are you concerned about?


About the only thing on my computer that I consider "data" is what is stored and processed by my various forms of Quicken/Turbo Tax.


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I'm concerned about my data. Whether it be information, contacts, phone numbers, information, PDF, DFX... Anything that is on my computer I don't expect anyone else to be able to access it except me.

As it is if you are connected to a network the computer is shuffling information back and forth constantly. Most of it is just keeping the connection going but other stuff sneaks in and out.

Get a program called WireShark and look at the information that comes and goes. And to which IP and countries it goes to. I think you'd be absolutely shocked.

I have another program called Networx. It's just a program that monitors incoming and outgoing data by speed. Most of the time you just see the standard less than 200 bytes per second (up and down) which is the wireless communicating with the router. But on occasions I watch my computer transfer megabytes of data, mostly downloads that I don't know what program is calling for it. Sometimes it's uploaded but that's more rare.

Between these two programs you might start to think a bit differently at how the computer shares data with others.

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And whats this have to do with woodworking????
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It has gotten out of hand and was not my intention.
Having others not agree with you is not "getting out of hand", it is a difference of opinion. Not agreeing with other's opinions is not grounds for silencing anyone else.


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That may be so,but if you read the EULA for Windows 7 it did much of the same.In a rare defence of Microsoft I will say that they are a million times less intrusive than Google's Android OS.
What is interesting about Android is it contains code copyrighted by Microsoft so Microsoft gets a royalty for every copy sold.
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Having others not agree with you is not "getting out of hand", it is a difference of opinion. Not agreeing with other's opinions is not grounds for silencing anyone else.


But if you really have issue with what other people are saying, then you should click on the unsubscribe button under the "Tread Tools" menu.

Well written!!!



Several months ago we had a Brouhaha on another thread that got personal. As a result several old time members just quit the forum to the detriment of the forum. Since the forum lost those members I think we have lost substance and certainly much knowledge. Wish we could do something to get these people back.



We should be able to have open disagreements (without getting personal) in discussions without somebody wanting to pack up and take their toys home.



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This is the second post in a row that I have looked at with mild bickering. It happens to all of us including myself recently.
One of you guys should make the first move to end this misunderstanding.
This is supposed to fun.
Please don't let it escalate.

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Ever think that some people enjoy a good debate?

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No we don't!



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Unfortunately to some this is not a discussion group, it is a question and answer platform, and as such experts emerge that have the answers to all things and will defend their opinions to the end.

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