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My ni-cad tools work fine, I don't really have any complaints about mine.
Me neither.
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guess I was the only one fustrated with the short and decreasing lifespan and torque. :/ owell, Im better now anyway.
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I just threw out the first two batteries, and have had them since 2007.

The tools don't make the craftsman....
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I just threw out the first two batteries, and have had them since 2007.
Yeh, I have some batteries that are easily 5 years old, probably 6.
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I suspect my feeling for nicd tools is not unusual...

was I the only one with a love/hate relationship with nicds?

I dont have a single nicd tool left in my shop (except for AA batteries) and very very happy about it.

Is saying Lithium batteries are miles better than nicd a provocative statment and I dont realize it? I think it is fact... I mean... the specs speak for themselves, there are no redeeming qualities to a nicd. you can hardly find a tool without them, consumer electronics are all about them. automotive, aerospace, ect are all on Lithium. So I guess I do speak for the non silent majority...
I agree 100%, as I said before 18 volt L-ion were the first cordless tools I had that finally became daily users.

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This argument is like listening to stories from my in-laws. Sure, they got on great with no indoor plumbing and living all 6 of them in a picker's cabin. But I have wi-fi, air conditioning, and satellite tv. My life is much easier, no matter how much character they built.

Lithium ion tool are better in every way than NiCad, no matter how long your old batteries lasted.

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I agree they're better, just don't agree ni-cd were terrible.

The tools don't make the craftsman....
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I am amused by the "new stuff is better" discussions. Clearly, new stuff may be better, technology advances, blah, blah, blah. However, because something new comes along doesn't mean all the previous stuff is no longer functional. But, I am a guy that has a 9 year old flip phone that doesn't even have a camera.

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It isn't always better. Some stuff new is better. Cordless tools are one of those things. They run longer, are much more powerful, and it remains to be seen if they last longer, but I bet they will.

Old hand tools are better. Larger machinery, I go back and forth on. Old tech cordless, however, I would be hard to convince it's superior in any way.

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It isn't always better. Some stuff new is better. Cordless tools are one of those things. They run longer, are much more powerful, and it remains to be seen if they last longer, but I bet they will.

Old hand tools are better. Larger machinery, I go back and forth on. Old tech cordless, however, I would be hard to convince it's superior in any way.
I don't think anyone made any reference to ni-cad being superior in any way. You guys are trying to characterize the current ni-cad stuff as some form of "brick" phone fro the 70s.
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I am amused by the "new stuff is better" discussions. Clearly, new stuff may be better, technology advances, blah, blah, blah. However, because something new comes along doesn't mean all the previous stuff is no longer functional. But, I am a guy that has a 9 year old flip phone that doesn't even have a camera.
Nobody has said the older technology is not functional, it does not cease to work when something new comes along, it just does not work as well.

I can remember a time when I could barely make an eight foot long rip cut through a sheet of plywood on a battery. That was a saw I did not take to a job site. Today a pair of batteries will get you through the day with their longer run time and shorter charging time.

I may amuse you, but I am amazed when I see decks being built with nothing but cordless tools and no down time.

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Nobody has said the older technology is not functional, it does not cease to work when something new comes along, it just does not work as well.

I can remember a time when I could barely make an eight foot long rip cut through a sheet of plywood on a battery. That was a saw I did not take to a job site. Today a pair of batteries will get you through the day with their longer run time and shorter charging time.

I may amuse you, but I am amazed when I see decks being built with nothing but cordless tools and no down time.
Modern Ni-cad tools were/are incapable of that?
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Modern Ni-cad tools were/are incapable of that?
Of course, particularly if you hired a smoker, it worked out just fine.

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me and Frank had the same nicd cordless tools it seems.

Maybe its because I picked up a craftsman lithium set probably around 2009? it was leaps and bound better than what came before. It didnt wear well though. The batteries on it went to pot, the tools didnt hold up. The chargers then were still dumb and did not have the capacity that they do now even still.

I never even attempted a cordless saw before lithium. Never imagined such a thing was feasible.

would I replace old cordless tools with new? absolutely and I did. I went to 20max and left the craftsman lithium tools to my father. My cordless tools are my daily drivers, I dont own a corded drill, jigsaw, sawzall, or circular saw... Thats how capable I feel they are for my needs.
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It really comes down to how or how much you use the batteries. Ni-cads just didn't make sense for me from a cost perspective once the Lith-ions came out.

With the old Ni-cads batteries you either had to have enough of them to get through the day or charge them a couple of time each work day. Charging them before they were low shortened the run time and running them down to where you kept that run time meant having plenty of extra batteries. Even still they had way shorter lives than the Lith-ions.

Never had a Ni-cad last more than 18 months or so but I still have Lith-ions from 2008 that are going strong. Guys that tell you their Nicads are 5 years old and still running fine must be forgetting how long they should be lasting... or they found the Ni-cad fountain of youth!
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HD is having a pretty good deal for any fence sitters

http://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-20...c6957c&cj=true

nice pack, Im not so much on the flashlight, but the other 4 tools are solid.
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The only cordless tool I own is a14.4 Dewalt drill, about 15 years old. As a I mentioned, I rebuilt the batteries for not a lot of $$. The drill works great now but I still swap the batteries after a few hours of service.

Not much was discussed in this thread about the charging and discharging and overall finicky-ness of NiCads. That they should be mostly discharged before recharging otherwise their "memory" will tell them to stay charged for less time. Or how NiCadsmist plain degrade with time. Conversely, as I understand it, Lithium Ions are much more robust; without the memory issues or degradation issues of nicads. LIONs are also lighter and hold a charge for longer. My Dewalt NiCad powered drill has been great, but when it dies, I look forward to a lighter, newer LION powered drill. One with more torque and a light!
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