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post #1 of 41 Old 01-13-2012, 07:24 PM Thread Starter
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Too Many Vices!

Guys, my turn with a question as it's been a while.

I'm designing a new bench, it's going to be more of a hybrid bench to fit my own needs. It will have a 2.5" cherry top, Pecan frame and cherry drawer fronts.

My question is this. I've never had / used a shoulder vise and I'm wondering if I'm missing out. I've been able to do everything I wanted with a single screw face vice but for the new bench I'm considering a Shoulder Vise instead. Not having any experience with them though I'm not sure if it would be an improvement or not. BTW, I'll still have a tail vise either way though.

One down side I can see right off is that I do quite a bit a edge jointing on long (6'-14') with the board clamped on edge in the front screw vise and board jack. (MAIN QUESTION) How do I still do this with a shoulder vise? Especially when we talking about 15" wide boards?

I'm guessing there are advantages to the shoulder vise as well. I can see it being a better vise for Dovetailing wide and tall boards as well as edge clamping larger stock but is it worth the trade off?

I think I've already decided to stick with the screw vise but I want to make sure I'm not overlooking some earth shattering advantages.

As always, THANKS for your time and insight!

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I don't know. But I wanna see this build.
Hope you get what you need

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This bench diffently going to look nice

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Firemedic, thanks for asking the question. I have a very nice bench with front and tail vice. I am going to build another bench-why ? I guess cause!! but I was wondering the same things. My new bench will use some live edge 5"x5" walnut for the legs. It might be doug fir as other or Phinds mystery wood number 267 that might be borneo ironwood but I do not know. I hope you get some good answers and I hope to see your finished bench. Sounds cool.
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I take it there aren't many people out there with shoulder vises???

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Where's Dusty???
He just got a brand new bench......
Let's ask Dusty, Mikey....

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My old man had one...never used it. But then he was a power tool guy.

I opted for a front vise, and an identical end vise. Those two, along with bench dogs, have been covering my needs.

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Have you considered height adjustment and mobility?


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I take it there aren't many people out there with shoulder vises???
I have one and use it quite often in conjunction with the hole/stops on my bench to hold-down long pieces of wood. There's a pic on this forum, somewhere.

The face-vise is good for holding pieces to be jointed but if you want to hold a long piece flat on the bench without holdfasts getting in the way, then a shoulder-vise is nice.

Edit: 1 - let me add I've also got a nice vise on the side that I use a lot. No reason to trade one for the other, make it with both.
Edit: 2 - I just reread your original post. Cherry? That is going to be one expensive but impressive looking top.

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I know there is someone out there with one-I cannot remember who but he has finely made beautiful vice-I think with purple heart. It was a couple months ago-he posted picture.
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Firemedic, ed_h has the bench and you can see it in thread "workbench lumber" on 11/23/11 His bench looks like a quarterhouse-mine a plowhorse.
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To be sure I understand the question correctly some definitions first.

To me the different types of vises are these:

Shoulder vise
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On a face vise you have the screw and the guide bars limiting the clamping options. A shoulder vise is therefore more versatile than a face vise, but you need to build the "knee" very sturdy to resist the clamping pressure. Ideal may be to have them all three to have maximum clamping options. In one of the later issues of Shop Notes there was plans for a removable face vise. Maybe an option would be a bench with a tail vise and a shoulder vise and as a complement a removable face vise.
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I have one and use it quite often in conjunction with the hole/stops on my bench to hold-down long pieces of wood. There's a pic on this forum, somewhere.

The face-vise is good for holding pieces to be jointed but if you want to hold a long piece flat on the bench without holdfasts getting in the way, then a shoulder-vise is nice..
I do that presently with my face screw vise. How do you keep the shoulder vise from racking? Two dogs I guess?

Edit: 1 - let me add I've also got a nice vise on the side that I use a lot. No reason to trade one for the other, make it with both..[/QUOTE]
I have a set up like Brink mentioned above. I'm going to build a true tail vise on this next one though but there will be two.

Edit: 2 - I just reread your original post. Cherry? That is going to be one expensive but impressive looking top.[/QUOTE]
It shouldn't be too bad if a deal works out the lumber will be less than fir.

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To be sure I understand the question correctly some definitions first.

To me the different types of vises are these:

Shoulder vise
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Face vise
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Tail vise (or End vise)
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On a face vise you have the screw and the guide bars limiting the clamping options. A shoulder vise is therefore more versatile than a face vise, but you need to build the "knee" very sturdy to resist the clamping pressure. Ideal may be to have them all three to have maximum clamping options. In one of the later issues of Shop Notes there was plans for a removable face vise. Maybe an option would be a bench with a tail vise and a shoulder vise and as a complement a removable face vise.
The removable vise sounds like an interesting idea! Maybe have the two vises removable with a sliding dovetail and pegs? Hmmmm...

The other thing I was thinking about was a backer support block to fit into dog holes and a drop in riser jaw to still use the shoulder vise for edge jointing... I'm concerned the vise might rack pretty bad though being the pressure would be exerted above the screw...? If it ain't broke don't fix it right?

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I do that presently with my face screw vise. How do you keep the shoulder vise from racking? Two dogs I guess?
Actually looking at the pics above, I guess what I have is a face vise and a tail-vise, not a shoulder vise. I always thought the tail-vise was in the middle of the end of the bench and the shoulder-vise was on the corner (shoulder) of the bench - I guess I had it bass-ackwards. So I use the tail-vise with the holes for clamping boards for face-planing.

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Actually looking at the pics above, I guess what I have is a face vise and a tail-vise, not a shoulder vise. I always thought the tail-vise was in the middle of the end of the bench and the shoulder-vise was on the corner (shoulder) of the bench - I guess I had it bass-ackwards. So I use the tail-vise with the holes for clamping boards for face-planing.
I kinda thought that was maybe the case, lol, I thought maybe I was misunderstanding though

What you have if what I presently have

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"I guess I had it bass-ackwards" You are not alone, so did I.
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I like this shoulder vice in a front vise setup.

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MAKE THIS VISE!

I made this as part of a bench-top bench. It's works great and is very cheap to make. About $20 for each veneer press screw and whatever you can get maple for.

Plans are here: http://www.finewoodworking.com/FWNPDFfree/011176038.pdf
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