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for those that make picture frames

I was given a hand painted picture that I got for Christmas that is 13" square and I wanted to make a picture frame for it. I'm making it our of curry maple and putting some mahogany splines in it.

What do you normally use for glass in the front? And what do you use for the back?

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Non reflective glass and thick cardboard.

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I have a rather large dog.........so, I have gotten into the habit of using thin plexiglass for the front and 1/8" hardboard or mdf for the backing. I find that both work well, as long as your rabbet cut is deep enough to house them and still give room for the set nails.
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Just another piece of advice, no matter what anyone tells you, plywood, is no good for the front. Makes it darned near impossible to see the photo.
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Some of my photos look better with plywood in front of them

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I use non-glare and 1/4" ply for the back. I cut the frame rabbets so the ply is even with the back of the frame. The back gets finished the same as the frame.

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hand painted picture

it has been my understanding that you do not place glass or other over a handpainted piece.....but i went to www.artzmark.com under care...they tell you about curing and the space required between the painting and the glass....have fun and congrats on being the recipient of a one of a kind!
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as a professional photographer I recommend mounting the print on foamcore and use no glass OR regular glass with an archival mat... non glare glass works if the print actually touches the glass, but that is not a good procedure.the mat seperates the image from the glass with an airspace and will prevent the image from sticking to the glass. finish up with foamcore backing. NEVER use wood or cardboard behind the picture. The acid from these will leech into the picture and cause fading and discoloration. All of the wood frame should be sealed. Now this is all assuming the print naccot be replaced... I have many images around with no matt, cardboard backing... but I can easily make new prints.
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When you say hand painted picture what exactly do you mean? Is it on a canvas or piece of craft paper? I did 3 frames for canvases that my wife wanted to give as gifts for Christmas, they are simply open at the front and back.
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as a professional photographer I recommend mounting the print on foamcore and use no glass OR regular glass with an archival mat... non glare glass works if the print actually touches the glass, but that is not a good procedure.the mat seperates the image from the glass with an airspace and will prevent the image from sticking to the glass. finish up with foamcore backing. NEVER use wood or cardboard behind the picture. The acid from these will leech into the picture and cause fading and discoloration. All of the wood frame should be sealed. Now this is all assuming the print naccot be replaced... I have many images around with no matt, cardboard backing... but I can easily make new prints.
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As a retired photographer,,, what he said....

Regular glass and a plywood back will require wall
anchors to support. The foam is stiff and lite and
you get it at Hobby Lobby.


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As a retired photographer,,, what he said....

Regular glass and a plywood back will require wall
anchors to support. The foam is stiff and lite and
you get it at Hobby Lobby.

As a very amateur novice newbie photographer.... I agree...

I cut that board three times and it's STILL too short!!!...
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I'm not sure what the picture is painted on.. It isn't a canvas because it is matted to a foam core board and there are several layer on top of it to create a little depth to the boarder.

So I should not put glass on the front and put some foam core behind?

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I'm not sure what the picture is painted on.. It isn't a canvas because it is matted to a foam core board and there are several layer on top of it to create a little depth to the boarder.

So I should not put glass on the front and put some foam core behind?
If it is matted to a foam core board, no back is needed,
just a craft paper cover over the back of the frame,
and if it is oil paint, do not put glass over it. It
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Photos have been "Painted" since the 1840's. Additionally the actual surface texture of the photo "paper" could have been glossy, matt, luster, canvas or watercolor paper. Almost any medium can be used;oil, watercolor pigments, pastels. If the surface of the image FEELs thick and smooth (think oil paint on wood trim) it is probably an oil paint (no glass) any other effect is best under glass. The only catch 22 might be that it has a Matt attached to the already mounted (on foamcore) print. The addition of the matt necessitates glass...eventually the matt will absorb water moisture and buckle off. Ask the person who gave it to you, how it was created.
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It is a water color, not oil. So I assume that I should put glass in front of it?

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yes...glass or plexi, then the mat, then the mounted original
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Ok so here is the final project.

I made it out of curly Maple with Mahogany splines. My camera isn't good enough to show off the figure but you get the idea. Also my splines came out a little off center... but it was my first frame so I'm please.
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That looks fantastic! Great job on the frame. This is something I need to do. Got several pictures I would like to make frames for. That's gotta be satisfying to see that hanging on the wall.

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I agree with the foam core. I've tried a lot of different backers and this is by far the best.
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I love the contrasting splines. Great job on the frame. You should be very proud. Don't worry about the off center splines. You meant to do that to give the piece balance with the layers of foam core. Keep up the good work.
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