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post #1 of 13 Old 10-22-2018, 03:53 PM Thread Starter
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Staining or dyeing walnut

Hope I'm in the right section of the right forum :/

I've made a tv console for a friend. She wanted walnut and I didn't even think to ask how she wanted it finished...because why would you do anything but seal walnut :)

She is asking for DARK. I've done some samples with diluted 'dark brown' water based dye, 3 coats. And did a sample of walnut water based stain. Neither are dark enough for her, I'm starting to lose the beauty of the walnut. Do I convince here to stay more natural or do I keep laying on the dye. I do have some ebony stain I could mix.

Please don't mind my pre-finish piece. I don't get to work this often and the walnut has a bunch of defects, I didn't cut out all the sap wood. Still need some trim around the underside of the top.

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There's a TransTint colored called Dark Walnut. In my experience, these dyes don't obscure the grain, but of course the more you make the color the same, the less the grain will stand out.

http://homesteadfinishingproducts.co...t-liquid-dyes/
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This is almost the same piece of furniture finished only with clear lacquer. A major difference is that I inserted a piece of granite on the top. However, it will show how the item will look with only a clear finish.


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If you want to highlight the natural grain of the wood without artificial colors try an oiled urethane like General Finishes. Goes on easy and really brings out the natural wood look.

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I've worked with walnut in the past, most recent is my kitchen table that got only the General's finish. Looks great. I think I'm hearing that I need to dye until I reach friends color level, and see what detail of grain actually stands out

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Better option, find a different friend...

Im of the opinion that walnut should not be stained/dyed/whatever. All is needs is some form of oil to really make the pattern pop, and a topcoat. Oil-based topcoat fills both those needs

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When I think if wood tones I think of stains. This includes all stains dark to light. I think of dyes when I want a color different from a wood tone such as a green, blue, yellow, bright red etc. And yes I know dyes come in wood tones but I don’t use dyes. I prefer oil based stains. And I always use stain on a hardwood piece even if it’s Walnut. The stain helps give some uniformity to the color blend, hides the dark/light contrast and makes the grain really pop. Woodworkers skip the stain step to take a shortcut. It’s not the best practice. The piece will not be equal in a natural state to a professionally stained piece (in my opinion). All high end commercial furniture goes through a stain process.
When I see a well made piece of furniture finished naturally with the variances of light to dark I immediately know this is “home built”. A woodworker can start taking real pride in a project when the project can’t be identified as “I bet you made this yourself”.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when will you have time to do it over?
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I have some walnut that's been steamed and doesn't look all that good so I have been staining it with Minn Wax stain "Special Walnut". I wipe it on and I wipe it off and let it dry overnight. I think it makes it look pretty good. You should try it on a scrap piece and see what you think.

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I think that I can see the problem. New wood vs. heart wood.

I think that you're going to have to pop the doors apart and remake them. Make them with raised panels and glue up the walnut with all heart wood (dark stuff). Then I think 2 or 3 coats of Minwax Antique Oil Finish will give the walnut color desired. Or you could use a dark Watco Danish oil.

Other than the color of the wood, you did some really fine work.

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i'd be sacrilegious to stain walnut
but i think it's sacrilegious to stain any wood :)
imo, might as well paint it black

even heartwood vs new wood is part of the beauty of working with wood
to see what it will look like with clear finish, wipe it down with mineral spirits

i have 100 yr old hickory floors in my house, it varies from bleach white to black
it's beautiful :)
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Well, if she wants REALLY dark, you could mix up a batch of chemical stain by dissolving steel wool in vinegar. Let it sit for a few days and then apply. It'll turn the walnut black.

The pickguard on this guitar is made from walnut.

Before the chemical stain:




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you could mix up a batch of chemical stain by dissolving steel wool in vinegar. Let it sit for a few days and then apply. It'll turn the walnut black.
would not have thought of that
still sacrilegious, but pretty cool
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"Staining walnut is basically shaking hands with the devil and I won't do it. " - Peter Brown
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