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Simple joinery for child?

My almost-4-year-old son likes to join me in the workshop, and use various scraps to build "houses" and "bridges" (Ok, I can't see it, but he can, and that's all that matters, right? ) Of course, he desperately wants to be able to hold these pieces of scrap wood together in various structurally unsound configurations, and so is always asking for glue (too slow) or tape. What would be a good thing to give him to hold his creations together with? I considered letting him use the nail gun, but ultimately decided that might not be the best idea.... (kidding...though I have let him pull the trigger a couple of times!)
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A four year old and a nail gun eh? That's a big nope from me mate.



Super glue such as "Two P Ten" cures pretty fast and with the activator spray cures in about two or three seconds. However it's expensive and you really don't want to inhale that spray. Not really Joinery but without doing actual joinery that's what I got.


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Hot melt glue gun.
The small craft models dont get that hot, even at the nozzle.
And its quite easy to get the stuff off of fingers afterwards.
But at 4, you would need to be with him when he uses it, not at the other end of the workshop.
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Hot melt glue gun.
The small craft models dont get that hot, even at the nozzle.
And its quite easy to get the stuff off of fingers afterwards.
But at 4, you would need to be with him when he uses it, not at the other end of the workshop.

I like this, that's a way better idea


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My almost-4-year-old son likes to join me in the workshop, and use various scraps to build "houses" and "bridges" (Ok, I can't see it, but he can, and that's all that matters, right? ) Of course, he desperately wants to be able to hold these pieces of scrap wood together in various structurally unsound configurations, and so is always asking for glue (too slow) or tape. What would be a good thing to give him to hold his creations together with? I considered letting him use the nail gun, but ultimately decided that might not be the best idea.... (kidding...though I have let him pull the trigger a couple of times!)

He obviously needs a set of leggos, Lincoln logs and tinker toys.


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He obviously needs a set of leggos, Lincoln logs and tinker toys.
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Indeed - and he does have the legos (need to get the Lincoln logs still), but that doesn't help when he is in the workshop trying to build with my scrap
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Hot melt glue gun.
The small craft models dont get that hot, even at the nozzle.
And its quite easy to get the stuff off of fingers afterwards.
But at 4, you would need to be with him when he uses it, not at the other end of the workshop.
Good thinking. Thanks!
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A four year old and a nail gun eh? That's a big nope from me mate.
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Heh, yeah. I did say kidding on that one...
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I agree with both the hot melt glue gun, with close but hands off supervision and the Lincoln logs and tinker toy. I don't have either of the latter, but let my granddaughter, now 6, use the hot glue gun. She and her Mom used to built little scenes using popsicle sticks with a glue gun.



A hot glue gun does get hot enough to burn, however, so I think at least a bit of "helicopter" supervision is needed, rather than more than a few feet away. Sort of defeats the purpose of being able to work at other things, though.

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A hot glue gun may not get hot, but the melted glue is enough for me not to like to touch. I do not think appropriate for a 4 year old.


Let him play with the scraps and see where his imagination takes him.



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If you had a dado or router set-up where you can quickly route/dado the scraps similar to using Lincoln logs.

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If you had a dado or router set-up where you can quickly route/dado the scraps similar to using Lincoln logs.
It's a thought, though most of the scraps - and the "joints" he wants to make - probably wouldn't lend themselves to this terribly well.

I'm sort of thinking maybe hand him a roll of duct tape and say "go crazy"!
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Like you except it is my grandson,when he's out there its projects that is good for him even if its pulling trigger for pin nailer. But both has to be focus at all times, adjust the projects accordingly. Make it safe so that all memories are good one's
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When I was 4 they gave me short 2x4 cut offs, my very own hammer and a handful of nails. The only rule was to not play in the driveway (no flat tires). Wasn't long before they gave me an old back saw although I don't think I played with that as much as the hammer.. Still got that hammer....

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When I was 4 they gave me short 2x4 cut offs, my very own hammer and a handful of nails. The only rule was to not play in the driveway (no flat tires). Wasn't long before they gave me an old back saw although I don't think I played with that as much as the hammer.. Still got that hammer....
That could work. Just have to find him a hammer of the right size, and teach him how to deal with nails safely Also make sure my first-aid kit is well-stocked with band-aids...
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Like you except it is my grandson,when he's out there its projects that is good for him even if its pulling trigger for pin nailer. But both has to be focus at all times, adjust the projects accordingly. Make it safe so that all memories are good one's
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Also make sure my first-aid kit is well-stocked with band-aids...



Honestly. That's just part of it...

A handful of patience is worth a bushel of brains...
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When I was 4 they gave me short 2x4 cut offs, my very own hammer and a handful of nails. The only rule was to not play in the driveway (no flat tires). Wasn't long before they gave me an old back saw although I don't think I played with that as much as the hammer.. Still got that hammer....
I was a year older when my former CCC carpenter Dad told me about the sure fire trick to keep from mashing your fingers: hold the hammer with both hands!
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Lincoln Logs on the floor in your shop. Teach him to build using them, then show him the fun of a tornado destroying it, and he can build again.

Hot glue gun ... that depends on your kid's maturity level. At 4, we told our kids to stay out of the cabinets, and they never went in. We told them the stove was hot, and they said it wasn't. Then they touched it and learned a lesson. They use the stove to cook today.

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I was pulling the trigger on a .22 rifle way before I ever fired a nail gun.

but seriously: anyone that suggests allowing a child to handle a hot-melt
glue gun (supervised or not) should put a glob of melted glue on their OWN
fingers first - just to understand the principle of how melted glue likes
to stick to human skin just like cardboard. it is not something that just
quickly wipes off like PVA glue.
a child needs to learn patience: glue something together with PVA
and wait 10 minutes. today's world is moving much, much too fast to
skip the projects that warrant a little patience and waiting for the results.

build a box kite out of wood strips, string and some flour paste for the joints.
string and newspaper held on with flour paste. let dry in the sun for 30 minutes.
attach tail of torn strips of old shirts and some crochet thread. then go fly it from a hill.
never mind: that is probably never heard of these days.

jus my Dos Centavos

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