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is this shaper a good deal?

My neighbor offered this Rockwell shaper to me for $20. Would you buy it? It does start and seems to run fine. Holy crap its scary though, that thing has POWER!

If I understand shapers, they are basically a router table on steroids right?

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It starts? For $20. It's a no brainer. Lol

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Looks like a spindle shaper and yes, they're powerful. They're not a router and use different cutters. That cord looks like it's for 220v. What's the spot on the table?

For $20, I would be all over that bad boy.
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What do you use them for if you don't use them for routing?
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What do you use them for if you don't use them for routing?
Shaper is great for doing QUANTITIES of moldings or other shaping. They typically run at fairly low RPMs, like 8-12K. The cutters are pretty pricey also. A 220 model is pretty much an industrial duty bad boy. For $20 I'd grab it up, clean it up and see what I could trade it for or get out of it. I had a small Craftsman router/shaper table and between the small table size, low rpm and crappy fence, it didn't make a very good shaper and a worse router table.

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i bought a big one like that for 80 buks a long time ago
i dont use it alot but it was great making tongue and groove paneling for my home
mine is 110 v
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I have a Delta similar to that one, I bought the collet for a porter cable router and it fits perfect, so I can use router bits in mine also. It does run slower than a router but I have used mine many times and love it. I especially like mine for making cabinet doors and raised panels. I would be on that bad boy like a duck on a June Bug.

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It's unanimous!

It is a great deal. But it's not a router table on steroids, not even close. Speed is the most important difference between a router whether in a table or not, and a shaper.
Shapers typically have 2 speeds 7,000 and 10,000 RPM, both of which are on the LOW end of a variable speed router. Here's the reason..... shaper cutters are usually much larger in diameter than router bits and therefore need to spin at lower speeds to operate safely and efficiently. It's about the peripheral tip speed.
A 1/4" bit can easily spin at 20,000 RPMs but you wouldn't spin a 3" molding cutter at that speed or vice versa. A 1/4 " bit spinning at 7,000 RPM won't operate correctly.

Routers have a brush type motor and are rated differently than an induction type motor typically found on stationary tools. Induction motors are larger, operate for longer periods without overheating and have more torque for a given HP rating....at least that's my experience.

If you get the unit above and want to use it look at Grizzly's 1/2 bore cutters and see what they offer. With any luck you may have a 3/4" spindle and there are more cutters in that size. I have a glue joint bit set up in my small 1/2" bore Craftsman spindle shaper powered by a 1 HP induction motor.
It's just right for that speed and cutter. Foley Belsaw was my source for 1/2" cutters years ago. Let us know what you do!

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They're used like a router that's mounted in a table or a benchtop router/shper, but they don't use router bits. You'll need shaper cutters which can get a bit pricey. They usually come in 3/4" or 1" spindle sizes.
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For $20 you shouldn't have to think about it. Even if you don't know what it's used for or how to use it, how can you go wrong.
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Great deal. But it's not big enough to really replace a router in a table. I have one but once I built a larger shaper I never used it much. But for $20 you will be getting a good machine. The cuts will be better and runs will be longer than a router.

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Almost sounds like something that when you need it, it's great to have... in the meantime, it collects dust?
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Followup on this one... I sold it for $200 on CL. Used that money to buy a the Bosch router combo kit at Lowes (and have used it many times since).

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Followup on this one... I sold it for $200 on CL. Used that money to buy a the Bosch router combo kit at Lowes (and have used it many times since).

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Thanks! I've turned into a CL hound now, always looking for good deals.

My wife has been grabbing up free furniture (only if it's wood, no mdf) and re-finishing it.

The way I see it, even if we're only making $20 on the stuff, we are *making* money, not *spending* money.

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Ducks eat june bugs?????? that's GROSS. I will have to watch for that at the next U of O game this fall...ken
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I have that exact shaper. Don't use it often, but it has been really useful on occasion. Most comments are correct:


It runs slower than a router, but this is appropriate since the cutters are normally much bigger.

Cutters are on the expensive side, but they last a long time.

This machine can do things that would be difficult or unsafe on a router.

For just a little more, you can do it yourself.
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