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post #1 of 36 Old 07-12-2020, 06:09 AM Thread Starter
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Setting Up A New Shop

Didn't want the title to be too long but this is really about "setting up a new shop from virtually nothing with a limited budget"

I am renting an 11' x 31' unit in a self-storage/mini-storage location. The low end is 9' high and the high end is 10' high.
There is 20A service which is more than adequate for normal use. This is not normal use so I will require a generator. I am pretty sure that I can get away with a 6500/5500 watt genny. I still have about a month to think about it. I currently own a 2KW portable gen, but that will not be enough.

Last week I ordered a Laguna Fusion 2 Table Saw and a laguna 14/12 Band Saw. They are back ordered and i wont see them for at least another month. At first I was disappointed but actually it works out to be a blessing. I need time to set up for a fairly efficient electrical system without having wires all over the place. Also need to make things like a step-stool and saw horses without anything in my way, like table saw and band saw. Hard to imagine tools getting in the way of building stuff, but they can. I have a rough lay-out plan in my mind, but this will give me more time to think about it.

So, I officially got the unit the day before yesterday.
Been hotter than hell here on the Texas Gulf Coast. This required a fan or 2 and now time for lighting.
I bought 2 floor fans and 8 5' long LED 5000 Lumen Lights.

I have a bare minimum of tools - 1 71/4" circular saw, a couple of drills and a chop saw. Maybe more stuff when I empty out my RV. For those of you that dont know me, I live full time in my RV and travel a lot.

Here are some photos of the shop:
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Unloading RV

This morning I unloaded all woodworking stuff out of the RV 'basement.
It was quite a bit.
I stretched it out along the floor so I can se what i got.
This afternoon, I will be doing the same inside the living area of the RV.
And, unload it tomorrow at the shop.
Then I can assess everything and figure out the shelving i will need.
Cant do much else until the floor is cleared.
Also fired up my little Honda 2K genny. Took about 10 pulls. it hadn't been started up in aover a year and a half.It ran great.

Progress is slow in this heat.
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If you've got limited space and a limited budget, it's hard to beat Shopsmith. I know the new ones are pricy, but if you haunt Craigslist and have patience you ought to be able to find a decent used machine under $1000....

Where's the KABOOM? There was supposed to have been an Earth-shattering KABOOM!

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Nice machines. 1 3/4 HP will require a dedicated 20A breaker, so you may not be able to run anything else but them while using.

Don’t run a machine with a magnetic switch on a generator. DAMHIKT.

You’ve got a tough situation there having to run generators.

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........ if you haunt Craigslist and have patience you ought to be able to find a decent used machine under $1000....
I have been spoiled by stationary tools, LOL. ard to change old habits.
I have been watching craigslist but so far nothing interested me enough.
The few things I wanted new were a table saw, air compressor and generator. Others I will try to find used if I can. If I need it at a particular time and cant find used, I will buy new. I'm just a spoiled old man running the clock.

We ought to meet up some time soon. You are probably no more than 30 mins away from my shop.

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I have 20A in the self storage unit and that should be enough to run one machine at a time. Then I will have to put the lights, exhaust fans, fridge, etc on the generator.
I would prefer the ancillary stuff on the wall switch and the machines on the generator. Just to be sure, I sent a request to tech support at Laguna. If they say its OK, then I will have their say so on paper.
However, I do appreciate your input and you may have just saved me a lot of aggravation and money.
Thanks again for the heads-up.

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Nice! Looks like it's coming together. I can't wait to see it and do a bit of stuff in it if you'll have me! Also call me, I'm trying to get a hold of ya.
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Tony - many, many years ago I managed a project updating our electric infrastructure at work with a couple of paralleled 910 KW generators and recall the electrical engineer sizing them to handle various motor starting loads in addition to stable loads. Basically a gen-set must be over sized to prevent damaging both the generator and the motors being powered.

This link will provide some guidance on sizing a gen-set for your needs.

https://www.grainger.com/know-how/eq...culation-guide
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@Tom-G

Thanks for the input.
I am currently looking at the tools that will more or less be on at the same time and calculate from there.
looks like the infracture stuff will preety much use up the 20A outlet in the wall. The mini-fridge on there will always be on. When I flip the switch, it will run the 8 5' long hanging Led Strips and 2 floor fans. Thats about it for the 20A outlet, just a little to spare.
I have a small Honda 2K gen. worth about 16- running amps. I took it off my boat before I sold the boat. Came in handy in the RV in Yellow Stone and other Nat'l Parks. I need to run it every so often.
Im still trying to come up with a plan before I purchase a larger gen. I dont want to spend good money on a gen. that could take away from tool purchases. At the same time, I dont want to be pulling plugs and operating switches every time I use a machine. Other than the shop, the new, bigger gen will serve no other purpose. Possibly after a bad hurricane the area could be blacked out for a few weeks. The gen will us to return to the area that much sooner.
Anyway, I will certainly figure something out within the next month when my new Table saw and band saw arrive. Thanks to guys like you with helping me out..
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Nice! Looks like it's coming together. I can't wait to see it and do a bit of stuff in it if you'll have me! Also call me, I'm trying to get a hold of ya.
You are welcome anytime in the shop.

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In a couple of days my first project will be saw horses. They will be different, I promise you that. Or maybe hanging the 8 lights might be a better idea

I have to really bribe Helen onto taking pics or a video. It is hot in there. I always forget to take pics when I'm alone. I get fixated on the project and forget the camera.

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You are welcome anytime in the shop.
Awesome, maybe i can help you do some setup when i get some free time or when some really heavy stuff's gotta be moved.
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My temporary plan is to build a rolling table the height of my tailgate - Approx. 40". I can drag a good amount of weight across the bed and onto the table. Then roll the table into the shop where I gantry is being planned , to lower the load off the table and onto a dolly. From a dolly, I can manage to slide the load off of it without it upending and breaking my jaw.
Or, I can use the help of a very tall strong man.thanks for the offer but you do live 2 1/2 hours away. Maybe I should buy a planer first?

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Use the H-F lift table.......

https://www.harborfreight.com/1000-l...art-60438.html

This table won't go 40", only about 35". So, to make up the difference use a riser block made of 2 X 6's and some plywood. Use cleats to secure it in place around the edges. Once things are off loaded using the gantry, the riser top can come off and get stored vertically or leave it on and lower the lift table to a workable height for your table saw outfeed table or what ever you need. Thickness planers and jointers also need outfeed tables. Great for off loading stacks of plywood or lumber also.

A pretty thorough review:


Many uses for the small shop shown here:

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)

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I had one of these in my old shop and when I took the utility van shopping. I was thinking about this also with risers. Just wasn't sure if it would get too top heavy. The entry into the unit has a small step-up about an inch or so high to help keep rain water out. maybe i should be rethinking this.
I need something to get the 5th wheel hitch on and off. Also to off-load tings like a generator, planer, floor model drill press, etc.
In the past I always used it for something. I think I had the smaller one with about 5 0r 600 lb capacity. it worked great.

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that's a lot o stuff in the rv basement
rv probably gets twice the mpg now :)
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that's a lot o stuff in the rv basement
rv probably gets twice the mpg now :)
And my Honda 2K is nt in the photos. If its organized, a lot of stuff can fit in there. the exception is ths ladder. it was outside tied to the RV ladder.

When neatly packed, there is not a cubic inch to spare.

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Additions

I added a new Fortress 27 Gal Air Compressor, 1 air finish nailer and on narrow crown stapler. Down the center on the floor is some lumber for tomorrows project. I was going to build shelves but I decided that I really needed saw horses first.
Pretty much everything on the right side are tools I will need tomorrow.
The left hand wall is stuff that will be put on shelves.
cleared out the hitch in the center of the PU truck and removed the tool box. First hurricane possibility and they go back in the PU bed.
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Yesterday I made saw horses and today i made a step stool.
In the almost dark hot shop with 2 fans going.
Could't hardly see my cut lines in pencil.
Used a circular saw that wouldn't cut straight for various reasons and a jig saw that the base wouldn't stay put.
Although the saw horses and step-stool ain't pretty, they will do the job. If anyone asks, I will just say I found them in a dumpster.

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Just a thought, in my small shop I have an over head storage for lumber and long trim pieces, it really comes in handy to keep the lumber out of the way until needed.

Another thought, is to put everything together with screws, that way when you need to move out, it will be easier to take apart.

One more thought, when you set up your miter saw, you could build it into a bench so the materials will lay on the bench and be at the same height as the top of the miter saw. If you plan to have a RAS, that could also be built into the miter saw bench to save space and use more efficiently.

I have seen roll arounds that have a tri-angle set up that three different machines mount on. Just flip up the machine you need. It saves a lot of space and is on a roll around so it can be stored out of the way. I have several of my tools mounted on furniture dollies from Harbor Freight. You can't buy the castors and build it for what they sell them for.

When I need my planer, I made it so it is the same height as my table saw, I roll the planer in front of my table saw and use the table saw as an off load or rear support if the lumber planned.

My long horizontal sander I don't use much at all now but when I need it I roll it out, use it then roll it back out of the way.

Right now some of my wood working tools are stored out back in a shed, I plan to make a small shop other than in our garage where I do most of our mechanic work. I want this small shop to be very efficient and compact but very usable. I will be watching your ideas.

I have downsized several times over the years. When in business my shop was 50 X 100 feet, so all those tools have been sold or given away, except for what I have now that can fit in my now, to be, very small shop.

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