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I use a drywall sanding hose

About $25 at Amazon or your drywall supply warehouse. It's lightweight and comes with 2 adapters for various tool ports and shop vac ports. And you can use the hand gizmo as a "pusher block" on your jointer.

As far as dragging the hose.... just screw your shop vac to the ceiling......


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Al. I currently have a 6" mirka ceros and vac. It is an awesome tool. The only compliant I have is that the transformer is made to just sit on or just hang from the vac. I think for a tool in this price range there should be some type of molded spot for it to park itself. I have also used the festool and will say that the two products are comparable. Both are well made and work great. Dust collection on both is awesome. I would guess in the 90%+ range. I went with the Mirka because at the time it was a better deal I got the sander and vac and over $300.00 in sandpaper for about $100.00 less than the festool. That was before their price increase this year too. The deciding factor for me would be wether or not you intend on owning other festool products. If you are I would say get the festool and vac, if not then I don't think you can go wrong either way.
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About $25 at Amazon or your drywall supply warehouse. It's lightweight and comes with 2 adapters for various tool ports and shop vac ports. And you can use the hand gizmo as a "pusher block" on your jointer.

As far as dragging the hose.... just screw your shop vac to the ceiling......

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My ceiling is 18' high.

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I built a cart for my Fein vacuum and screwed the transformer to the under side of the top.
Now your cookin with gas.

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My ceiling is 18' high.

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Mine is 24' high

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Mine is 24' high
I have ceiling envy. :)

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we use fein turbo II with the micron filter and bag filter, and dust deputy's and a 1" hose. wish the hoses were a little more flexible but not bad. we use this system on ordinary 5" ros sanders. pc mostly.

but this vac system is awesome. quiet, dd removes most dust. haven't had to touch the vac filters and bag in 2 years now with no loss of suction. they are used daily.
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we use fein turbo II with the micron filter and bag filter, and dust deputy's and a 1" hose. wish the hoses were a little more flexible but not bad. we use this system on ordinary 5" ros sanders. pc mostly.

but this vac system is awesome. quiet, dd removes most dust. haven't had to touch the vac filters and bag in 2 years now with no loss of suction. they are used daily.
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Fein seems one of the popular choices. DD is also a great idea. Got A picture of it?

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I have ceiling envy. :)

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Ya, I'd like a 16' ceiling so all my heat doesn't end up "way up there"

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I have 3 PC ROS and I hook them up to a 5hp 12 gallon shop vac. It works well for me. I have a HEPa filter covered with an old nylon my wife had discarded (fish nets don't work well). The nylon makes easier to clean. I also have connectors for my Dewalt belt sander and the router. I also have a powered outlet that will turn the vac on when the sander fires up. I got tired of the hose coming loose all the time so I drive a sheet metal through the connection to hold them together.
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I have 3 PC ROS and I hook them up to a 5hp 12 gallon shop vac. It works well for me. I have a HEPa filter covered with an old nylon my wife had discarded (fish nets don't work well). The nylon makes easier to clean. I also have connectors for my Dewalt belt sander and the router. I also have a powered outlet that will turn the vac on when the sander fires up. I got tired of the hose coming loose all the time so I drive a sheet metal through the connection to hold them together.
So your auto vac on is in the outlet?

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sorry al no pic. you can buy those sensing/power on outlets. i think sears has them.
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sorry al no pic. you can buy those sensing/power on outlets. i think sears has them.
Tim thanks for your input.
I have a current sensing switch to turn on the vac. It just seems like a full sized shop vac is overkill for running a single sander. When I look at the smaller units. They are louder and don't have the good features. Go figure.

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fwiw the fein turbo 2 actually has a power level control, you can turn it on the amount you need. they are pricey, but are a really nice vac. they are quiter than the sander that is running (at least our pc's) so you don't even know they're on. i buy mine at waltertoolco
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Thanks to all who posted here. I have felt the need to start "sucking it up" thinking my shop will be a bit cleaner. Sanding is the step before finish yet after you do, the shop is in no way ready to finish anything.

The horrid obnoxious noise the shop vac makes has been the number one reason I don't attach it to my sander. The sanders got a little bag on it, right? Kinda works. Was better than my beloved PC speed block sander I've been using for 25 years. What a great sander it has been. Have the half sheet too. Table tops come out so flat.

Then there's the hose. What an unruly evil cuss. Do they make ball joints for these? If I'm going to use a vac on my sander, it's got to be at the very least flexible. Thanks for the link for the softer hose Wooden. But still it's got to be as close to the free wheel sanding I've been doing so I need a soft hose and a quiet vac. I see the Fein models are in fact whisper quiet. And they have that nice auto on off feature. Can't be reaching down to turn it on and off all the time. Need to dial down the suction too. I hooked the sander to my vac and it sounded like I was sucking the guts out of the sander and the vac just gets louder. Can we all agree the noise a shop vac makes is tantamount to listening to some loud crying kid at one of the box stores? Gees!

HEPA? It sounds like a good idea but I don't do HEPA work. Not a remodeler. Don't sand in someone else's home. Don't have a HEPA shop. For now I'm passing on the HEPA filter. Just walking through the shop will stir up enough dust to negate the HEPA I gained buying the $35 filter.

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Soft hose
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Auto on and off.
Speed control for sanding.


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This is what I ended up with. Sensing switch for on and off is coming next week along with the fan control to slow down the vac. Came out whisper quiet.


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Without altering the shop vac. I slid it in a quieter cabinet.

Al



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Just out of curiosity have you ever considered the pneumatic ROS with vacuum?

The tools don't make the craftsman......a true statement often overused by individuals who haven't a clue about quality tools or true craftsmanship.
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Just out of curiosity have you ever considered the pneumatic ROS with vacuum?
Well that would only add to my disdain for why I don't use a shop vac in the first place. Air is expensive and I'm not set up with whole shop air. The compressor is noisy too. I also understand the ROS is an air hog. Probably a great powerful sander buy not in my hobby shop.

So no. Not looking to setup pneumatic sanding. It my thinking correct?

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LOL.......I thought everybody's shop was as noisy as mine!

I forget now the cfm requirements but yes, these sanders do require a good bit of air. The sanders themselves are fairly loud and then there is the added noise of the compressor.

I have a couple of mirka sanders that run quite a bit every day with an 80 gal 2 stage compressor supplying them. Mine are not set up for vacuum, but will probably look into that when the need arises to replace these. Given the configuration of the shop, I need to look into better dust control because I don't like the extra work I have from dust contamination in my finishes.

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LOL.......I thought everybody's shop was as noisy as mine!

I forget now the cfm requirements but yes, these sanders do require a good bit of air. The sanders themselves are fairly loud and then there is the added noise of the compressor.

I have a couple of mirka sanders that run quite a bit every day with an 80 gal 2 stage compressor supplying them. Mine are not set up for vacuum, but will probably look into that when the need arises to replace these. Given the configuration of the shop, I need to look into better dust control because I don't like the extra work I have from dust contamination in my finishes.
Oh the Mirka is a very nice unit. Swedish Aren't they? If I did a lot of work for hire, I'd jump on the Ceros.

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