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Saxe Point 04-02-2013 10:32 AM

I can get a used Record vise (Model 52, I believe) for about $65. I understand they are great vises and are no longer made. The only problem is that the hole at the end of the main shaft/screw that holds the roll pin (I think) is broken. I am told (haven't seen the vise yet) that it would be an easy fix that involves drilling a new small hole to put the pin into and that there is room on the shaft to do so. The vise is otherwise fine apparently.

Is this an easy repair and one that is worthwhile doing? Any other concerns I should have? I am a novice and this will be my first vise. Any advice based on your knowledge and experience would be greatly appreciated.

Dave Paine 04-02-2013 10:41 AM

If a hole is broken, it infers the shaft broke.

Without pictures, we are not able to understand whether the repair is easy or not worth the trouble.

FYI, you can get a new vise from Grizzly for less than the asking price of this fixer-upper.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/category/590020

Fred Hargis 04-02-2013 11:15 AM

I have a Record 52 1/2, and am only guessing at a repair. My pin wasn't a roll pin, but rather a solid piece (not hardened, either) that wore wear it rubbed against that washer that goes between it and the "dog bone" (my name for it). Make sure you have that washer, it's kind of a cupped job. If the hole is broken, you can easily drill a new one, and you can probably use a roll pin.....but the screw shaft may be too short to fix. Where I come out on this is "maybe" (lot of help, huh?:laughing:). I've seen working used ones selling for $100, or like Dave suggested get a copy for less. In my case, where the pin had worn, I simply shifted it slightly to get a full contact surface against the washer. I may have a pic of that, if I can find it I'll post back....but my guess is the $65 is a bit high for a "maybe fixable" vise.

Saxe Point 04-02-2013 11:45 AM

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I have not yet seen the vise, but I think this is what is described as the problem area. True?

Fred Hargis 04-02-2013 12:29 PM

Yep. That blueish thing is what I call the dog bone. I was wrong about the washer being a cup shaped design...it's actually just a flat washer (brain fart on my part, sorry). Her's what I was trying to describe...notice if that hole and shaft are broken off, there is no more room for a repair. You would have to shorten the two smooth shafts to make more room for the "dog bone" to be moved down a faction of an inch...which would allow for a new hole and pin. (hope that made sense).

Cliff 04-02-2013 01:15 PM

A hole is broken? Whazzat mean? Holes don't break. Holes are the absence of stuff. Is the casting where the hole is located cracked? Is there a crack that passes through the hole causing the hole to be larger than it ought to be?


Cast iron is hinky stuff to weld. It can be done but ya gotta heat the whole casting up to a very high temperature so that the welded area doesn't just break away during cooling.

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I have not yet seen the vise, but I think this is what is described as the problem area. True?
I'm confused. You don't know what is wrong with this thing because you haven't seen it and the seller's representations are so inarticulate and unhelpful that you can't reliably say what is wrong?

Maybe you should not spend the $$.

If the shaft is sheared off then it can be welded back on but the cost you'll pay for such a weld is likely to be more than the value of the item.
You could also tap and drill the shaft to simply bolt a new stub end on, but only after you toss it in a lathe and turn the end
You can also just tap and drill the end for a 1/2-13 or 3/8-16 bolt and use that with a washer and some locktite to do what the pin was doing quite reliably. You'd only need to file or grind a flat spot to center the drill to do this.

Short from long: If the lead-screw is broke and you can't replace it then the vice is also broke and you shouldn't buy it.

Woodwart 04-02-2013 01:27 PM

I would look at that, think very hard about fixing it, and then buy a different vise.

Mandres 04-02-2013 03:00 PM

I've had this one from harbor freight on my bench for years now:

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-...ise-95203.html

It works just fine. Every now and then I hit the rails with a scotch-brite and some paste wax to keep them from rusting.

Saxe Point 04-26-2013 02:23 PM

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I skipped the damaged vice and I think it was a good move. I just bought a Record 52 1/2 ED for $90. Never installed, so effectively brand new. Below is a picture. Did I do okay?

Fred Hargis 04-26-2013 02:34 PM

I'd say you did great....I've seen them go for $200 in that condition.

Saxe Point 04-26-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred Hargis (Post 471203)
I'd say you did great....I've seen them go for $200 in that condition.

Thanks. I got that sense as well. I'm not much good at negotiating anyway, but when I saw its condition (still has the factory grease on it) I just paid the fellow his $90 asking price.


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