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post #1 of 35 Old 12-16-2008, 07:43 PM Thread Starter
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People with money and no brains.

Friend of mine has a high end cabinet shop.

Got a call about an entertainment center in a new
house. So he runs over to take a look. It is to be
16' wide, 8' tall and 2' deep. Not a problem. But
The home owner wants it made from one piece of
wood! The whole thing? No just the front. One piece
of wood with the openings cut out. They don't have
wood that large. Well, I'm sure they do, you need to
look for it.
I really don't think I can help you, you need to check
with some other cabinets shops.

Two weeks later:
When can you start on the entertainment center?
I don't know, what about the one piece front? Oh
I went to Lowes, and they have it in stock.
Really.. Yes meet me there at 1:30 and I will show
you.

In this multi million dollar house with all the oak trim and marble floors, seven bedrooms, eleven bathrooms,,,
the entertainment center will be made of MDF and
painted white. Trim and all.



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The beauty of The good old U.S of A, is it takes all kinds of folks to make the world go around. I run into the type of people all the time. I try to explain things the best I can, But sometimes people with more money than me are way to smart for me to be working for. If they cant understand how and why things are done the way they need to be done, I cut my loses and walk away.

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Lowes had a piece of MDF that is 16 feet wide by 8 feet tall?

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Not to mention 2 ft deep?

Oh... wait... only the front...

Well, I suppose you could special order some redwood from Califor-nee-eye-aye.... If'n you can still find some 8 ft dia cuts.

I cut that board three times and it's STILL too short!!!...
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Lowes had a piece of MDF that is 16 feet wide by 8 feet tall?

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yeah, I find that kind of a stretch, too, George....I'm trying to imagine what he could have meant.....BHOFM, any other clues to this mystery?

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Duh! You just biscuit join four 4x8 sheets together! Voila! Good luck strapping it down on the roof of the Escalade.

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Not to mention 2 ft deep?

Oh... wait... only the front...

Well, I suppose you could special order some redwood from Califor-nee-eye-aye.... If'n you can still find some 8 ft dia cuts.

Guess ya could but last I checked, Lowes wasn't in the business of special ordering California Redwood!!
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They want the front covered like sheet rock and then
the openings cut out with a roto cutter. They don't want
any seams in the corners of the face.

They want the thing to look like it was cast in place
no seams. Like molded plaster sort of.

The front is flush with the wall.


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I'd have been looking for the cameras...was it Allen Funts house?
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I'd have been looking for the cameras...was it Allen Funts house?
I agree, you can't believe some of the things they
come up with.

Like kitchen cabinets with glass shelves?

One thing they have all the time is fireplaces in bed-
rooms, city code does not allow wood burning fire-
places in bed rooms. They must be gas burning and
they must be vented with out side combustion air
supply.

We live in an area of billionaires and they don't have
a clue.

We had a young lady at school got in a bit of trouble,
threw a gum wrapper, and had to help clean the lunch
room. She was balling. When asked who cleaned the
kitchen at her house, she replied, I don't know I've
never been in there.


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Having a lot of money does not make a person smart.
Being able to make a lot of money does not necessarily mean a person is smart, at least not in the ways of conventional wisdom.
Most of us will never make, or have, a lot of money. To most of us it just doesn't matter.
But, it sure makes it hard for us to understand where these people are coming from.

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PS: I personally think mdf is the worst form of crap ever invented.
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Having a lot of money does not make a person smart.
Being able to make a lot of money does not necessarily mean a person is smart, at least not in the ways of conventional wisdom.
Most of us will never make, or have, a lot of money. To most of us it just doesn't matter.
But, it sure makes it hard for us to understand where these people are coming from.

Gerry

PS: I personally think mdf is the worst form of crap ever invented.
That was kind of my point for the thread.

Just for you info, most of these people are Wal Mart
executives. Makes you wonder?

There is a house, 15,000 sq ft, on fifty acres, with
a ten acre pond and the driveway has two bridges.
Rumored to have cost $55 million. Built by a past
Wal Mart CEO for his daughters wedding present.
The back deck is over the pond. The roof is copper.
Over thirty acres is mowed.
I was at the house several times during the construction
while working at the equipment rental store.
It has an underground parking garage. With
elevator.


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"Smart" is in the eyes of the beholder. It says nothing and measures nothing unless it is used direction in conjunction with some characteristic.

Most people on this forum are "smart" about wood building. Many (most?) of them may also be smart about making money, but the two types of "smart" are not related.

"Smart" says nothing about raw intelligence, as measured by various tests. "Smart" says nothing about whether or not a person has common sense nor about what are their artistic tastes. It says nothing about their likes and dislikes, which would be very hard to measure and quantify anyway.

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Remember when you hit your thumb with a hammer it SMART'S. But you do gain intelligence. You now know not to hit your thumb with a hammer. These people usually don't even know what a hammer is let alone how it is used. Just how much they can sell it for.
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For anyone interested, there are some species of wood you can still get in those ridiculous dimensions. Of course it's also about $40 bf for anything larger than 24" wide, I believe, so be prepared to drop a small fortune. I saw an article about this stuff in one of the recent woodworking magazines and I'll be buying a little of it shortly. Looks great and will really bring some unique character to any piece you're building, if you don't mind the cost.

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DOH!. That link should be www.ancientwood.com

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When I 1st started, I assisted someone in trimming out this massive mansion near where I live. When we were done, the HO's wife didn't like the choice of wood (oak). Tore it all out and redid it in Walnut. After the fact, she didn't like that either and tore that out. That is when I stopped working for this guy and went my own way because I could not stand by and watch such beautiful work destroyed over pure stupidity. The guy I worked for didn't care because he was being paid a lot of money to install and then tear out all that wood. I think they finally went bankrupt somewhere along the way. The house was sold and the trim never was completed. 5th or 6th install last I knew.
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Having a lot of money does not make a person smart.
Being able to make a lot of money does not necessarily mean a person is smart, at least not in the ways of conventional wisdom.
Most of us will never make, or have, a lot of money. To most of us it just doesn't matter.
But, it sure makes it hard for us to understand where these people are coming from.

Gerry

PS: I personally think mdf is the worst form of crap ever invented.
It does have one good use.

It makes a good material to make speaker cabinets out of, because it is very dense and heavy, and is not prone to warping which would open up seams that could cause problems.. Speaker builders then veneer the stuff to make it look like real wood.

The systems I have built for personal use (they have been reviewed on this site in the projects section) used real wood for the tops, bottoms, and sides, but mdf for the front and back panels. The material differences also cuts down on sympathetic cabinet-wall resonances that could be audible.

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They must have a vacation home out here in West Texas where I am working right now. The talk of the town is a local ranch just had an 8500 sq ft home built. The power company had to take down and bury the mile long overhead line because the wife said "that won't do, it is to much of an eyesore, I can't believe anybody even puts up overhead lines these days" just so they can see the neighbors cotton fields without a line and poles. If they are not the same I bet your friend could sell them one of those seamless, one piece entertainment center.

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" I can't believe anybody even puts up overhead lines these days""

I certainly agree with that statement!!!

If you live in an area that gets thunder (read lightening) storms, winter power outages because of snow or hurricanes overhead utilities should not be allowed.

Just ask the people who live in Clear Lake City about power outages after Hurricane Ike. Clear Lake City has all utilities underground. They never lost power while the rest of Texas around them had no lights.

I live in a small area that has underground utilities. We get power back quicker than other area.

In west Texas power lines get struck by lightening. The lady was smart.

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I agree, too, but the truth of it is that most of the overhead lines are pretty doggone old. They do replace stretches of cables and poles due to the cost factor, but the lines have been there for a while.

Of course, I'm sure the pipe, copper, rubber/plastic coating, and other "stuff" underground will soon be found to be leeching into the water supply. Then they'll have to put everything back on poles again.

I cut that board three times and it's STILL too short!!!...
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