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Smile An observation about router and bits

As we amble through our woodworking life we enter into the wonderous world of edge treatments. Oh my! Lets rush out and buy a router and some bits.

After shopping a while we discover that the Snazzy Z27 2 HP router is great but . . . And it came with all the bits you'll ever need. (Really? That is what the ad said.) Now Snazzy Z14 barely 1 HP trim router is what we need for . . . But WAIT the Z27 came with a ½ inch chuck and the Z14 came with ¼ inch chuck. Oops, back to the woodworking store and more bits but this time ¼ inch shanks.

At this point the woodworking store has a rubber stamp made for your signature.

Using the hand held router to raise panels just isn't safe. Off to the woodworking store and this time they have assigned a personal shopping aid for you. Ah but you now have the Snazzy Z83 and all of 3½ HP. Oh my goodness, 3¼ HP is too much to hand hold.

So back to the woodworking store where they now have you sit in the lounge while several shopping aids search out a router table for you. Oh, you need a router lift and the dust collection attachments. Do you need a free standing dust collector or is your shop vac enough? With your personalized signature stamp and personal shopping aid, shopping is a joy.

Several years have passed and now you have a new home insurance company. The insurance company insists on an inventory of your shop with valuations. OK. The routers (which have multiplied to 6) and router table (The store bought model has been replaced with your woodworking creation.) are about $1200. Whoa, really that much? Maybe you should include the router bits says your woodworker insurance agent. After inventorying all of your router bits and searching the internet for replacement costs, you discover to replace just your router bits the bill would be between $5000 and $6000.

And, that my friends is the wonderful world of routing. If the cost of your bits is less than 5 times the cost of your routers, you are probably limited in what you really can do. But oh what you could do with that super special router bit. And so it goes. . .

Just one bit of advice, don't show your partner the shop inventory with the replacement costs.

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Back in the late 70's I wanted to start building raised panel doors as they had just become all the rage. It was before the big routers so I needed a shaper. All of the panel raising cutters were 1 1/4 bore so I got an 1 1/4 spindle in a Davis and Wells shaper. I started buying cutters the only cutters I could find fir the rails and stiles were Freud they were about $500 per set, panel raising cutters were about $3-500 each


I swear the day I finally bought all the cutters, they started making them with a 3/4 bore and they were about 25-30% of the cost of the big 1 1/4 cutters, the carbide was thinned but not that much


Freud should have been giving away free shapers so they could sell more cutters, I paid $1200 for the shaper and probably $4000 for cutters, but still have them all so they were good ones

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i've always been sort of a minimalist woodworker, never had more than 1 router and i know exactly what my $49 router bit set is worth. my router table is a $5 piece of melamine with a clamp on fence. i do more change overs than a guy with 6 routers and $5000 in router bits, but i can also do the same job with my $79 router, $49 bit set and $5 table

i've dealt with a lot of mechanics over the years. some bring in $14,000 snap-on toolboxes taller than they are and almost as long as the car they drive, some roll in $400 craftsman boxes. both do the same job, have the same skill and make the same money. admittedly i have more 9/16" wrenches that i can use with my 2 hands
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i've always been sort of a minimalist woodworker, never had more than 1 router and i know exactly what my $49 router bit set is worth. my router table is a $5 piece of melamine with a clamp on fence. i do more change overs than a guy with 6 routers and $5000 in router bits, but i can also do the same job with my $79 router, $49 bit set and $5 table

i've dealt with a lot of mechanics over the years. some bring in $14,000 snap-on toolboxes taller than they are and almost as long as the car they drive, some roll in $400 craftsman boxes. both do the same job, have the same skill and make the same money. admittedly i have more 9/16" wrenches that i can use with my 2 hands

I swear my shops eat 1/2 and 9/16 wrenches, I could buy a dozen and toss them on the floor and they would be gone the next day LOL


I can never find one that I need

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9/16 and 1/2 wrenches multiple in my shop.
On the other hand, the rare 10mm wrench is the one beast that is always missing.
I work on ATVS 10mm is a must.
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i've always been sort of a minimalist woodworker, never had more than 1 router and i know exactly what my $49 router bit set is worth. my router table is a $5 piece of melamine with a clamp on fence. i do more change overs than a guy with 6 routers and $5000 in router bits, but i can also do the same job with my $79 router, $49 bit set and $5 table

i've dealt with a lot of mechanics over the years. some bring in $14,000 snap-on toolboxes taller than they are and almost as long as the car they drive, some roll in $400 craftsman boxes. both do the same job, have the same skill and make the same money. admittedly i have more 9/16" wrenches that i can use with my 2 hands
You only need that $14,000 tool box if you have a Harley so you have someplace to keep your cleaning supplies and impress your bros.

All too often buying the basic machine is the least of the expense that will be incurred, the tooling for wood or metal lathes can far exceed what you paid for the lathe.

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admittedly i have more 9/16" wrenches that I can use with my 2 hands
I thought that was just me. I never could figure out why I had so many 7/16, 1/2, 9/16 wrenches.

I did learn something about 7/16 wrenches. They fit the coax connectors for cable TV. Most of the cable guys here have a 7/16 with a carabiner through the box end hanging from a belt loop. Their choice is one of the "stubby" versions.

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"Just one bit of advice, don't show your partner the shop inventory with the replacement costs."

I never had to inventory my tools, then in 1999 while I was in the process of moving "back to the big city" someone broke in my garage and stole some tools. Had to make a list for the insurance company as I had full replacement on my homeowners policy. Very eye opening as it was almost 14k. NO stationary woodworking tools were involved, Lincoln 225 ac/dc welder was the biggest single piece, couple of toolboxes also. Rest was hand power tools and hand tools. All stationary tools and accessories were in storage at that time. Majority of all my tools have been bought with money from "side jobs" not everyday work money.
Still don't have an inventory as I am not interested in the fight that will follow when SWMBO finds out what the replacement cost is. HOWEVER can guarantee that it doesn't equal what she has spent on purses, "junk" that fills all the closets and damn games on Facebook, etc.
She has already stated there will be an auction to dispose of all tools when I am gone, I intend to give a bunch away when it gets close or I can no longer do anything in the shop. Have started to pass tools along to younger generation as they need something. I really don't need 9 routers so gave away 3 Ryobi's only to replace with 3 PC690's and 2 PC 100's. I still enjoy buying tools.
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I thought that was just me. I never could figure out why I had so many 7/16, 1/2, 9/16 wrenches.
those 3 wrenches will disassemble 98% of my old truk, why i need the rest in my toolbox is beyond me
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She has already stated there will be an auction to dispose of all tools when I am gone, I intend to give a bunch away when it gets close or I can no longer do anything in the shop. Have started to pass tools along to younger generation as they need something.
I hope you have better luck than me... I have a table saw, baby drill press, and a belt/disc sander I have been trying to give away for months.

I do believe it is Great skills development exercises to experience working most any project with hand tools and/or minimal power tools as the finished product is much clearer to see in the beginning when using the power tools and machinery to accomplish the same tasks.
I also believe the talent gained by all experiences propagates to skills building in other, sometimes unrelated areas.

I have changed engines in my junk cars years ago using a come-along winch under my uncles oak tree in the middle of winter using hand tools that probably should have been thrown away as they were bent/broken/worn.
I have also done the same task later in life using an engine crane in my own shop.
I do not play around on cars much anymore as I am too lazy (except I had to rebuild the transmission in my pick-up last August).

I do have 3 routers today, and a dovetail jig... I have never used the jig and I still cut all of my dovetails by hand today. Go figure...

Since I have walked a little on both sides of the fence on a few occasions, I do feel comfortable to say - it is nice to get a little older and give (or buy) myself a treat from time to time to make life a little more pleasant.

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