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Need a rais d panel but set.....

Looking for a raised panel bit set for a router table that also does rails and stiles. Looking at the mlcs and the Freud Diablo sets. Anyone have any experience with them? Are they decent sets?
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Using a router for raised panel you probably have to do in multiple passes just because of the work load. It will get the job done though. Router bits are available in a lot of different designs as well as the coping and sticking sets.
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You will still need three distinct bits to do rails, stiles, and panels because the profile on each is unique. Generally the panel raising bits are sold separately because you can use any number of panel profiles with any given rail/stile profile.
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You will still need three distinct bits to do rails, stiles, and panels because the profile on each is unique. Generally the panel raising bits are sold separately because you can use any number of panel profiles with any given rail/stile profile.
I am aware of that. Both mlcs and frued sell sets. They have a panel bit with either a coped back or straight back, the rail and stile bit and the tenon cutter. I am asking if anyone has any experience with these brands....are they decent quality? Will they produce good results?
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I am aware of that. Both mlcs and frued sell sets. They have a panel bit with either a coped back or straight back, the rail and stile bit and the tenon cutter. I am asking if anyone has any experience with these brands....are they decent quality? Will they produce good results?
Frued offers a better bit in carbide, steel and quality overall. Kentucky Tom

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I would stick with Freud or Whiteside bits. MLCS bits not so much.

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I would stick with Freud or Whiteside bits. MLCS bits not so much.
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Using a router for raised panel you probably have to do in multiple passes just because of the work load. It will get the job done though. Router bits are available in a lot of different designs as well as the coping and sticking sets.
A few years ago I burned up a 3 hp DeWalt router trying to do too much in one pass.
The bits were brand new and the router never seemed to be under too much load, but by the end of my Red Oak headboard/footboard project the router was fried.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when will you have time to do it over?
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A few years ago I burned up a 3 hp DeWalt router trying to do too much in one pass.
The bits were brand new and the router never seemed to be under too much load, but by the end of my Red Oak headboard/footboard project the router was fried.
There is just a lot of wood coming off with a raised panel. There is so much it stops up my dust collector so bad I quit trying to use it. I used to use a radial arm saw for panels and had to do it in four passes. Now I use a shaper and can do it in one pass but you can hear the machine drag down a bit on some of the profiles I have.
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Mine are the Freud brand. I make several passes on the router table, and move the fence back a little each time until I get the desired result. I cut all of the panels on the first pass, move the fence a little on one end only, then repeat...and repeat as needed.

I have a long story but will keep it short. The hole in the Rockler Group A router plate was too small for the panel cutter to fit through. I made an auxiliary table out of some mdf and cut a larger hole. See picture. Then I had to make a couple of auxiliary fence pieces to make room for the big cutter to spin. I installed the panel cutter from above the table, and everything worked out great. Later I switched to the Kreg insert plate. Their hole is a little larger than the bit so all works well now. The cutter is almost 3 1/2 inches in diameter.
Note: I cut these panels with a Bosch 1617 running at it's slowest RPM. It labored some, but I made shallow passes. On the next job, I had purchased a Triton 3 1/4hp router and it just loafed along while spinning the big cutter.

This panel cutter is Freud part #99-515

Freud Rail and Stile kit Part #: 99763
http://www.rockler.com/freud-99-763-...-stile-bit-set

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I've got the Freud Shaker bit set for the stiles and rails. I have not bought a panel bit yet.

It cuts through my 3/4" maple nicely and leaves a pretty clean edge. There is usually a tiny bit of fuzz on the 22 degree cut.

I had to extend the slot on the left side of my Kreg router table to let the fence move forward another inch. I fussed with building out the fence face, but that wasn't working as well as I liked.
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I have both Freud and MLCS shaper cutters and can tell no difference in the quality of the cut

I also have a couple MLCS router cutters and they seem to cut fine also

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Raised Panel on Table Saw

Have you thought about using your table saw for the raised panel? The table saw would be more efficient than the router because it cuts a piece of wood off rather than removing all the wood. Then you would just need router bits for the stiles and rails.

Google "raised panel on table saw" for some good examples.

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Have you thought about using your table saw for the raised panel? The table saw would be more efficient than the router because it cuts a piece of wood off rather than removing all the wood. Then you would just need router bits for the stiles and rails.

Google "raised panel on table saw" for some good examples.

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That's how I opted to make my first set of raised panels for a couple of end tables. I made the rails and stiles on the table saw too though. I was pleased with the results.
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I use a CMT set. They work well for what I need. I can't tell you where I bought them, I've had them for long long long time.
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That's how I opted to make my first set of raised panels for a couple of end tables. I made the rails and stiles on the table saw too though. I was pleased with the results.
Wow! You have created such nice looking raised panels on the table saw, why use the router? I can understand if you want to make fancier stiles and rails, but that panel is good looking.

I use my dado blade on the table saw to create the raised panel tongue and my hand planes for the raised part. I always enjoy the quiet sound of my sharp planes cutting through the wood. I don't use my hand planes enough, so raised panels are just a great excuse to pull out the hand planes and get a workout in.

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I use a CMT set. They work well for what I need. I can't tell you where I bought them, I've had them for long long long time.
That is a very fancy cabinet door! I would definitely have to think about how to make that curved top on the table saw. Probably use the band saw for the curved top, shoulder planes for the tongue and hand plane for the curved raised panel.

Ok, I can see where a router bit rail & stile set might come in handy.

Thanks for sharing,
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I have both Freud and MLCS shaper cutters and can tell no difference in the quality of the cut

I also have a couple MLCS router cutters and they seem to cut fine also
I have the MLCS rail and style bits and am very happy with them.

Do the raised panel on the table saw.

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That is a very fancy cabinet door! I would definitely have to think about how to make that curved top on the table saw. Probably use the band saw for the curved top, shoulder planes for the tongue and hand plane for the curved raised panel.

Ok, I can see where a router bit rail & stile set might come in handy.

Thanks for sharing,
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Thanks ORBlack. I cut the parts and did the engraving on the CNC and then did the panel, style & rail routing with the CMT set.
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Thanks for the help fellas. That cmt set is available through woodworkers hardware. Not sure which route I an going to go yet. I'm going to see what my old man has for shaper cutters and might go use his relic lol.
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