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Depending on your intended use of the vice - now & in the future, and disregarding the price/shipping of each, the features of each vice are about equal. Condition is sometimes a factor, but again all seem equal. Have you seen/used any style vice up close - say in a big box store, to get the feel/features of the vice? IMO your second listing would be the better of the group. Be safe.
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You have not specified what you want to use it for, but this is a woodwork forum and none of these are woodworking vices. The metal jaws will damage wood surfaces. For wood working you need something like this :
http://www.amazon.com/Jorgensen-41012-Woodworkers-Vise/dp/B0000223R2
Then you fit it with wooden jaws like this :

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chataigner, yes I want a woodworking vise, im new to wood working so thanks for the information, so are these for metal?
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GrizzlyHeat, chataigner is correct but sometimes I find the style you picked out to be easier to work with for certain things. Most all of those "metal vises" have removeable jaws so you could make a wooden set to replace the steel ones
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vices? well there is drinking, drugs, and women.
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The best "deal" was the Wilton in the first listing, but it already sold. None of those were woodworking vises. They are still useful, but not for holding wood.
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this is what you need

The metal working vises you listed will not work for wood. A woodworkers vise is very different, has 2 round rails that silde and large plates for jaws ....
and mounts under the bench top rather than on top of it:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...+vise&_sacat=0


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Woodnthings,just got Tom Turpin"s excellent treatise,"Custom Rifles:Mastery of Wood & Metal".....The David Miller rifle co.

They in fact DO use traditional metal/machinist vises for their stock work.These are $20K + rifles so they have a vested interest,haha.They simply use appropriate wooden,"inserts" that straddle the lower,main beam,cvring the jaws.No big news there,we've been doing the same thing here for...well,ever.

What is the most interesting part of their stock working vise setup is;Attached solidly and more/less flush on the main benches height,they use a thick steel base to mount the vise.But,this steel plate extends out from the edge or frontal plane of the bench.Imagine having your vise mounted to a column base,now shove that over 'till it touches the edge of your workbench.......their steel plate has no column,instead is an extension from the top.

Those who say it cannot be done shouldn't interrupt the people doing it.
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here's what I think ...

A metal, working vise with wooden jaws will certainly hold some sizes of wood.

The issues I have with the concept are that the height of the jaws from the sliding column is not as great as a wood vise, so your capacity is limited. The wood vise has side jaws that are 4" or 5" tall allowing a better grip on the end of a piece, compared to only an inch or so on a metal vise.

The second issue I see is that anytime your wood cutting tools whether a plane or chisel strikes the metal portion on the vise, you will have a sharpening job ahead of you. An "all wood" vise like the traditional tail vises and leg vises on a joiners bench won't have this issue. A steel bench vise with large wood jaw inserts will have less exposed metal in that regard.

So for me it's about holding capacity and metal to metal contact. I have no doubt that for working a gunstock in certain operations, a metal working vise may have some advantages. I have certainly used one myself for wood a few times. I also have a Parrot vise for working on small pieces at different angles:

http://www.amazon.com/Shop-Fox-D3125...ds=parrot+vise







I also found a gunstock vise on Amazon, a variation I had never seen before:
http://www.amazon.com/WoodRiver-Patt...ds=parrot+vise


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Check out woodcraft - today and tomorrow they're having their anniversary sale - 15% off all vises.

As to vices, wine and women all the way!
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The type of vise depends on what you are using it for, a proper woodworking vice fits into to the overall design of a woodworking bench and has features for that application.
A machinist vice is not suited for woodworking bench, it is mostly an obstruction, on the other hand on a general purpose bench it is a necessity and can be used to hold wood with protection on the jaws, etc. if required.
A well equipped shop will have both and most likely more than one of each.
There are literally dozens of different styles of vices, many of them made for specific purposes.

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