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post #1 of 16 Old 09-27-2018, 12:06 AM Thread Starter
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Need epoxy advice

I know this is a subject that's been talked about several times but I wanted to ask specifically what I needed to know. I want to take like 2x4 s stand them on edge and make a table. Where they come together I want to make a groove, not tobig or deep, then feel them with colored epoxy . I also want to finish the the while table in clear epoxy. If anyone has the time to explain this process to me and what brand I should use I would appeciate it. Thank you
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I know this is a subject that's been talked about several times but I wanted to ask specifically what I needed to know. I want to take like 2x4 s stand them on edge and make a table. Where they come together I want to make a groove, not tobig or deep, then feel them with colored epoxy . I also want to finish the the while table in clear epoxy. If anyone has the time to explain this process to me and what brand I should use I would appeciate it. Thank you
How thick will the 2x4 layer be and what do you plan to mount them to?
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I was thinking either sitting them right on the frame and screwing down or making a u shape to run on sides and bottom on each end of the table. Making notches in the so it appears to sit in it while the rest sit on braces in the frame. Hope that makes sense. The wood will be 1 1/2 x 3 1/2x 72
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I have done a little messing around with colored epoxy, but not much. But, what I have done was using Pro Marine Table top epoxy and the Jacquards PearlEx colors. I thought they were both easy to use and gave good results. You will have to play with the amount of color to see what you like.

Tip: make sure there are no cracks between your 2x4's. I was surprised at how the epoxy can seep thru such small seams.

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What would be the best way to seal where the boards butt together after I make the groove? And can I pour the colored epoxy and sand it all down then pour the the clear epoxy over it all? Thanks
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My advice is to look at the videos on Utube.
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I always get great info from US Composites regarding epoxies. Their tech support folks know their stuff and they cater to small users and big ones.

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What would be the best way to seal where the boards butt together after I make the groove? And can I pour the colored epoxy and sand it all down then pour the the clear epoxy over it all? Thanks
I use tape to seal it off, both on the sides and on the bottom. I agree with Ron_J on the Pro Marine epoxy and the Pearl Ex colors - they're fantastic and easy to work with. And you can definitely sand the colored epoxy down and pour clear epoxy over everything.
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I know this is a subject that's been talked about several times but I wanted to ask specifically what I needed to know. I want to take like 2x4 s stand them on edge and make a table. Where they come together I want to make a groove, not tobig or deep, then feel them with colored epoxy . I also want to finish the the while table in clear epoxy. If anyone has the time to explain this process to me and what brand I should use I would appeciate it. Thank you
I think my biggest concern with this is the instability with 2x4's. I'd be concerned with the amount of movement you will see with them and the bond with the resin. Depending on what product you use you might get cracks. I've done a bunch of live edge "river" tables with tinted epoxy.

1. make sure everything is sealed up because epoxy will leak through the tinniest of gaps. Cover your forms with sheathing tape (ie tyvek tape) and caulk any areas that it could leak. Use more tape than you think you need to.
2. Epoxies differ greatly. Do some research on the different kinds to see what suits your needs. I use EcoPoxy, Total Boat and West Systems typically for the tinted portion and then Famowood for the clear coat.
3. There are lots of dyes/pigments out there. I've used transfast and pearl ex but seem to gravitate more toward black diamond pigments.

I have a couple of the products I use for these listed on my site (Timber & Ash Designs)

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Bob - can you make a simple sketch of what you are wanting to do ?
there are certain procedures involved in table top epoxy projects.
and if they are not followed appropriately, you could make a real mess of things.
and also of concern is the base and legs - how is everything going to marry
together to make one solid unit.
also - is this just a project to play with and gather experience,
or ~ to become a family heirloom item ???

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Here is a sketch if looking at the end. I want something with color to highlight so to say the groove before putting a nice clear coat over it all.
It's just something I would like to do but would like for it to turn out as good as possible .

What part of Florida are you? Orlando here
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Bob - I am in Kissimmee, at the very end of John Young Pkwy, just down the road.

as for adding the colored groove and epoxy; first of all,
you need to build the project and address any structural issues
prior to proceeding to the finishing steps.
after construction, you need to apply three coats of clear epoxy to seal it,
then, address the groove with colored epoxy. your project, as simple as it sounds, is not all that simple.
but - if you go through the appropriate steps, you will have a successful and satisfactory outcome.
build your table first- then move into the finishing and epoxy stage.
the groove between the boards is made with a router 45* chamfer bit before you glue everything together.
QUESTION: what wood do you intend to use ?? just plain construction pine from the Box Store ??
[construction pine is not the #1 choice for any kind of table except for a workbench in the shop or garage].
also - what woodworking tools do you have or have access to ??
(you will need a table saw, jointer, thickness planer, router, sanders, and a host of other tools).

thank you for your drawing - is this the look you are trying to achieve ?
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when you mention colored grooves in wood,
my "nautical mind" kicks in and this is what I imagine:
most up-scale boats and yachts are adorned with teak and mahogany.
teak decks with the black groove is the standard.
but - it takes a special skill to accomplish that task.
you can achieve a very similar look with some planning and forethought
as how to embellish your project so it doesn't look like you just glued a bunch
of 2x4s together (which you are planning on doing).
just trying to stir up your creative juices a little.
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I say Orlando because I figure more people know that then they do Kissimmee. I'm close to pleasent hill elementary.

Here's a pic of what makes me want to try this project. Tool wise I'm limited so I know it's going to be alot of hand work. Material wise I want something that's going to last. I have experience in cabinet builder but not specifically something like this. So any advice or suggestions or something similar is appeciated
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ok gotcha - just right down the road.
the suggestion still applies to build the table first - then gather
information on finishing and doing the epoxy top after it is a table.
presently, you have the cart before the horse, so to speak.
keep us informed of your progress and the pros here will help you along the way.
the adhesive to put it all together would be TiteBond II glue. since you are going
to flood the top with about a 1/8 - 1/4" of epoxy, the type of wood does not really matter.
you will need a few bar clamps, belt sander, orbital sander and a lot of abrasive pads. (and a pack of good quality dust masks - or respirator).
it is very easy to cut the grooves after you have a flat and show worthy surface
with the "V" router bit.
looking forward to following your progress.

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My nephew was a lecturer in Astronomy at Gainesville. We visited a few times. We particularly like the Holiday Inn suites hotel on way to airport for night before flying back to UK. The whole area is very popular with UK people looking for homes.
Your houses generally twice the size and half the price of similar in UK.
Remember to post a pic of finished table.
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