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In need of cabinet construction advice.

So I think I have a cabinet similar to this built in my head, with the exception of attaching the face. I was thinking about using biscuits. Any thoughts from those with experience?
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If it were me I would just glue and nail the faceframe to the box.
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I'm not liking nails .... holes

If you can use glue blocks, triangular shaped on the inside to locate the face equally spaced on the cabinet edge then, that would be my approach ...... glue then clamp. Biscuits will be difficult to center equally and have the pieces match up..... a glue up nightmare I think.
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If you can use glue blocks, triangular shaped on the inside to locate the face equally spaced on the cabinet edge then, that would be my approach ...... glue then clamp. Biscuits will be difficult to center equally and have the pieces match up..... a glue up nightmare I think.
This was my concern. I guess I was just a little unsure if glue alone would be strong enough. And like you, I'd rather not have any nail holes showing.
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Yes, glue alone is strong enough even with plywood. But most of the time I pin nail, glue and clamp. The pin nail holes will disappear in the finishing process.



IMO glue blocks are neither necessary nor desirable. If you're worried about squeeze out you can tape off the sides. Finishing the case first, then attaching the FF is also a way to go.


I've used both biscuits and Dominoes they work quite well. Index off the outside of FF and box side. If the outside of the stile is proud of the case, you have take that into account.



If the case sides are hidden you can also use pocket screws.

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I agree with DrRobert's evaluation. Glue and pin nails.

I have used dado's on the stiles with tenons on plywood sides using only glue on kitchen cabinets because they were screwed to each other thru the face frames.

In your cabinet design there is no added stress on the face frame, so it wouldn't be necessary. For added strength you could add pocket screws under any non adjustable shelves (if you have a pocket hole jig), but I don't think it is necessary.

Pin nailers are cheap at Harbor freight, if you have a compressor.

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I use biscuits, but cut the slots full length in the facing edge of the cabinet side pieces. Glue the biscuits in biscuit slots in the face frame pieces and then glue them into the slots of the sides during final assembly. This gives you the ability to make position adjustments during your final assembly. Be careful of your glue usage and use blue tape to prevent excess glue from getting where you don't want it. I peel off the tape after the glue has set up, but before it's completely dry. Both the glue and tape come off easier this way.

This is the easy part. Duplicating the arched door will be the most difficult part.

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If you can use glue blocks, triangular shaped on the inside to locate the face equally spaced on the cabinet edge then, that would be my approach ...... glue then clamp. Biscuits will be difficult to center equally and have the pieces match up..... a glue up nightmare I think.

Agree with all.


I have used a pin mailer for work like this. But, it is to hold the wood in place, not to add strength. The holes are almost invisible. Glue is sufficiently strong.



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I would make the face frame using pocket hole joinery. If you are gluing to solid wood, the face grain to face grain glue up will be very strong.

If the sides are plywood it will still be fairly strong as 50% of the plywood will be face grain to face grain.

I have a biscuit joiner but lately I seem to be using dowels more often. A dowel centering drilling jig will center the dowels on the upright sides. And dowel centers will mark the face frame drilling locations. Dowels make a very strong joint.
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