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Mount it level or at an angle?

Looking for some feedback on whether I should mount the rifle at an angle or level in this case.

I like the look of the rifle angled but the OCD in me wants to mount it level. If I mount it level I feel like I might need to cut the top and bottom of the frame back a bit from the 2" they currently are to about 1 1/2".

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my vote is to have the barrel level (yes, I have OCD also).
I think the box is too small to make a good tilted display.
if you are going to tilt it, the tip of the barrel and the bottom of the butt
should be the same distance at the bottom frame. (if that makes sense).
[honestly, I think the box is too small for a balanced display ~ it just looks cramped].

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my vote is to have the barrel level (yes, I have OCD also).
...honestly, I think the box is too small for a balanced display ~ it just looks cramped
I agree with you John, that's why I asked the question. This box is going into an angled corner above a fireplace mantle so the width is set. I feel that the depth is good but I didn't make the box high enough. I probably should have added a couple of extra inches above and below the gun.

You used the word balanced...by that do you mean keeping the same distance from the top, bottom and sides of the rifle to the frame? As I was looking at this tonight I thought I should have matched the 4" of free space from the end of the barrel & stock to the frames with the same 4" space to the top and bottom of the gun to the frame.

I do have the ability to cut as much as 3/4" of an inch off the top and bottom of the insides of the frame giving it another 1 1/2" of free space. I think it would help a little but it will still be out of balance.

Thanks for the feedback.

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all in all, it is a great piece and you did an excellent job on building it !!
by balanced, I like to see as much "equal" free space around an object as possible.
my mind sees about 2-4 more inches in the vertical aspect of it.
on complicated projects such as this, I like to make a cardboard or cheap plywood prototype first.
what looks good on the drawing board does not necessarily look good in actual use.
you are the one that has to look at it - and please others in the family.
so basically it comes down to what YOU are comfortable with.
but again, you have done an excellent job with building it.

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The level mount ......

I like the slanted mount because the level mount crowds the barrel at the top. I like the slanted mount because there's more space around it. Often rifles are displayed at a slant, so no problems that I can see.
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That looks really nice!

I built one for a Henry 45 and made certain the barrel was level. The only still shot I have is with the case on its back so it's hard to tell.

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Here's the video I made on the case -

There's another video on just the latch if you're interested -

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This box is going into an angled corner above a fireplace mantle so the width is set.
You may be just fine as built.

Too me the "free space" above and below the barrel, is more critical than above and below the butt of the stock , simply because the butt end angles thru the space. (if that makes sense).

In your photo, the eye perceives the barrel to be too high in the box, crowding the space above the barrel. The camera angle appears to be that the camera is above the box. However, this is NOT the view which will be seen when the box is mounted up "above a fireplace mantel".

I suggest before you do anything else. Set the box up at the same height at which it will be mounted and see if the perspective changes your opinion of how balanced it looks. The higher the box, the less space one will see below the gun. The space below the gun, will begin to be hidden by the front lower frame.

EDIT; This of course is all dependent on the height of the mantel and the height of the box above it.
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Hmmm, I think level is good in this case. Looks like you have worked hard to make this fit in the space you have with the beveled back and all. That is going to be nice!

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Another vote for level...
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In your photo, the eye perceives the barrel to be too high in the box, crowding the space above the barrel.
i think dave's argument for level is exactly my argument for angled
my eye knows the barrel is too high in the box and buried in shadow
thou my wife does say all my taste is in my mouth

this ogre votes angled
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i think dave's argument for level is exactly my argument for angled
my eye knows the barrel is too high in the box and buried in shadow
thou my wife does say all my taste is in my mouth

this ogre votes angled
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My whole point is, when viewed with the box above eye level there will appear to be more space between the barrel and the top of the box. As the viewing angle changes, so will the perceived location of the object within the front frame of the box.
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eyes up----- angled
eyes level--- angled
eyes down-- angled

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I agree

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i think dave's argument for level is exactly my argument for angled
my eye knows the barrel is too high in the box and buried in shadow
thou my wife does say all my taste is in my mouth

this ogre votes angled
final vote

The angled position gives more space around the rifle. Unfortunately, we are too late to this project with the suggestion the box is not tall enough, as John mentioned. So, here's another thought ...... reduce the width of the supports. The look like they could hold up a 50 cal. Some brass mounts like coat hooks, would be minimal in width and compliment the brass receiver. As is they block off too much of the rifle, kinda clunky looking.
Hey, you asked for comments .....
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In your case I think I would go level. I can go either way. In this one angled. I might make the supports a little smaller so that they are less noticeable.
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I have no experience with gun displays.
-> After viewing the two examples, I prefer the "level" version.

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The curled grain in the walnut will give that cabinet a marvelous look when finished. Well done! Nice job!
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Thanks for all the responses...I appreciate the feedback. This kind of feedback, especially the critical kind, is why I joined the forum. I feel like I have the technical skills to build nice pieces but I definitely lack experience in fine woodworking. Your feedback helps a lot in my personal woodworking development.

The case if for a friend of mine and my fathers. He's the only non-family member that hunts with us up at our property in northern Wisconsin. My dad promised to make this display case for him years ago before he passed. That task has now been handed down to me.

The rifle is a Winchester Centennial '66. My friend has named this rifle "Roy" after my father so I figured that I should try to do a decent job on this case to honor his namesake. My father's first rifle was a model Winchester model 94 30/30 which was also the first rifle that he purchased for me when I started hunting 36 years ago. I have my dad's 30/30 now along with his old model 94 22 magnum which I will eventually build another display case for. The Centennial '66 is very similar to my model 94's except the wood is nicer, the brass is shinier, and the barrel is longer, thicker and octagonal.

I think I will mount the rifle at an angle, maybe not quite as angled as the picture below. I would prefer to mount it level but I did make a mistake in the build by not increasing the height of the display case by another 2 to 4 inches. I think the rifle has to be angled a bit to provide a bit more relief from the door frames.

I had thought about cutting down the top and bottom frame of the door from 2" to 1 1/2" but I built them at that width to hide some LED light strips. I test fit the light kits this morning and although I like how they light up the back of the display case I'm not a fan of all the little white dots of light that reflect off of the rifle. After sharing some images of the lights with my friend he likes them so I will be leaving the door frame at 2" thick to hide the installed lights.

Now I just have to trim down the mounts, fit the lock, route a few channels on the sides to hide the wiring, install some 1" angled walnut strips to mount the lights to, finish beveling the door frame, route out a 3/8" rabbit to hold the glass and then do some final sanding before I start finishing this.

Thanks again for the feedback and thanks for sharing some other examples of rifle cases. I really liked David's design and I may have to add some walnut shell holders based on how well his turned out.

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The curled grain in the walnut will give that cabinet a marvelous look when finished. Well done! Nice job!
If you're talking about the wood behind the rifle that's actually quarter sawn leopard wood. I thought it would make a nice background and compliment the darker walnut.

This is the first time I've worked with leopard wood. It a bit of a pain because the lighter "specs" in the wood are very difficult to keep intact while planing and sanding. I had a very nice book matched joint when I first put it together but I ended up taking so much off while planing and sanding trying to get the surface smooth that the book match is no longer perfect.
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Any way you can mount the LED strips to get rid of the LED pattern on the rifle?
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yeah - strips of opaque or frosted plastic might work.

I have some quail and the nesting box has a hole in the top for
a LED night-light. I put two pieces of plain white paper under
the light to provide a soft glow night light.
(yeah, I don't want them to be afraid of the dark LOL).

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Any way you can mount the LED strips to get rid of the LED pattern on the rifle?
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yeah - strips of opaque or frosted plastic might work.
I had initially planned on mounting the lights at a 45 degree angle but I think I'll try to rabbit out a little recess instead which will cut down on the direct light on the rifle. If it doesn't help I'll take John up on his suggestion to try strips of opaque or frosted plastic.
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