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post #21 of 32 Old 11-16-2013, 09:35 PM
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yah, I did forget You Tube videos

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You forgot to mention YouTube videos, just sayin'. .
Besides who wants to read lines of text written by a bunch of opinionated old farts, bloviating about their past lives when a video is worth at least a million words? Videos from well respected woodworkers like:
The Wood Whisperer's Mark Spagnuolo, In the Workshop With Charles Neil, Steve Maskery, wwgo's George Vondriska, Alex Snodgrass, Mathias Wandel, the American Woodworker, Fine Woodworking, just to name a few that come to mind PLUS all the little guys making clever jigs and fixtures in their shops.

It's as easy to type in the subject you are seeking advice about and
you get presented with a myriad of choices, techniques, and usually well presented information, including close ups of the material, blades, settings, etc.

I use it all the time and I've learned a bunch from it and DANG, it's free!

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)

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Having dealt with a few consultants I find this old adage to be often the case:
"Those that can do, those that can't teach."
From your above comment, you make a distinction between those that can do and those that "cant". The innuendo is that those that teach can't do.

Now, we have had some banter about it, and since this thread is about making money from doing the work, or alternative methods, it seems fit to clarify the point for both the craftsmen on this forum that make or made a living from their work...it's not intended to be a hijack.

I've been to your website, which BTW is a very complete synopsis for a woodworker. That appears to be a teaching site. From your posts, they are suggestions and opinions concerning the subject of those threads, which is also teaching.

So, your comment seems to apply to you. So, to be fair in my response, I checked your "albums" for any work you have done, and I don't remember you posting any pictures of your personal woodworking projects, and didn't find any on your website.

If I missed seeing your work, I apologize. If you can clear this all up, I would, and am sure others would like to see what you have done. We all like pictures.

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how do you make money with Youtube videos?

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post #24 of 32 Old 11-17-2013, 11:11 AM
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it's possible

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how do you make money with Youtube videos?

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http://www.ehow.com/how_5152064_make-money-youtube.html

But that was not the intent of my post. The intent was to show how folks can learn from it, even those with years of experience like myself. It's a teaching aid and instead of posting photos or text and digging through my photo software, I use it to explain things more easily. If a picture is worth a 1000 words, a video is worth 100 times that. If there is an issue with posting You Tube or other links then what are we doing here anyway, just talking to ourselves, rather than sharing knowledge and giving advice?

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)
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Cabinetman to answer a couple questions:

"From your above comment, you make a distinction between those that can do and those that "cant". The innuendo is that those that teach can't do."

Nice try, but don't put words in my mouth, I did not say those that teach can't do, I actually stated that there are many dedicated teachers. What I said was that those that can't do teach, totally different, only you put a spin on it to make a point.

"If I missed seeing your work, I apologize. If you can clear this all up, I would, and am sure others would like to see what you have done. We all like pictures."

I left the trade 30 years ago, a lot has passed under the bridge since, including a failed marriage which resulted in a lot of personal property going missing, details not important, this included several photo albums. I was advised to limit working in dusty conditions for health reasons so I moved on to other things.

Whether this clears thing up for you or not doesn't really concern me, I don't have the time or inclination to give you the pleasure of getting into a pi$$ing match over it.

Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something -Plato

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I retired after 31 years as a biology/dendrology professor. I was very good at it. Wood carviong is my focus now and I intend to become very good at it.

That expression is a jealous fleck of snot from those who find that they can do neither work nor teach. Fill your boots.

In the meantime, I do know that for sales the 3 most important things are marketing, marketing and finally, marketing. If you can talk the talk, can you walk the walk? What's your work look like? For me, perhaps the most important attributes are your versatility, innovation and craftsmanship.

The shapes and sizes of my Kitchen Sticks are the ones that people really want to buy. I made a bunch, passed them around (charity cooks, professional chefs & caterers, etc). I could make what I want to make, they want something very specific. Their needs turned out to be just about the easiest & fastest to produce! At the same time, they've turned into a chore and a bore. 60+ done, 30 on the bench. When I finish 100 for sale, I quit. We shall see what the pre-Christmas trade looks like.
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"From your above comment, you make a distinction between those that can do and those that "cant". The innuendo is that those that teach can't do."

Nice try, but don't put words in my mouth, I did not say those that teach can't do, I actually stated that there are many dedicated teachers. What I said was that those that can't do teach, totally different, only you put a spin on it to make a point.
I'm not interested in the rest of the argument, but I, too, want to take issue with your quote.

The point of the quote has always been, as far as I can tell, that if you're capable of doing something, you'll do it. If you're not capable of doing anything, you'll become a teacher. So whether you meant it or not, the quote you used says that only people who aren't capable of doing anything teach.

Given that I know a lot of teachers who are incredibly qualified in their fields (scientists, mathematicians, doctors, lawyers... I could go on), I find the quote to be like most generalizations: wrong.

Yes, you came back later to qualify, but only after people started objecting.

And, to back up my statement:

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Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
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People who are able to do something well can do that thing for a living, while people who are not able to do anything that well make a living by teaching. (Used to disparage teachers. From George Bernard Shaw's Man and Superman.) Bob: I'm so discouraged. My writing teacher told me my novel is hopeless. Jane: Don't listen to her, Bob. Remember: those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
See also: teach, those, who
McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
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I'm not interested in the rest of the argument, but I, too, want to take issue with your quote.

The point of the quote has always been, as far as I can tell, that if you're capable of doing something, you'll do it. If you're not capable of doing anything, you'll become a teacher. So whether you meant it or not, the quote you used says that only people who aren't capable of doing anything teach.

Given that I know a lot of teachers who are incredibly qualified in their fields (scientists, mathematicians, doctors, lawyers... I could go on), I find the quote to be like most generalizations: wrong.

Yes, you came back later to qualify, but only after people started objecting.

And, to back up my statement:
First I have to say that my mother, brother and sister-in-law were all teachers so the last thing I would want to do is insult teachers, which I have already explained.

Things have to be taken in context, the context I was was using is that when one can not make a living in a trade they resort to teaching, this has nothing to do with those that choose teaching as a profession.

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post #29 of 32 Old 11-17-2013, 01:49 PM
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Back when in Art School

The really good/excellent/outstanding students in the fields of Industrial Design, Graphic Design, and Photography were not talking about teaching, rather just interested in getting a job in the profession of choice.

The Art Education students who were taking Basic Design and other elementary classes DID want to become teachers. They were teachers first and then "artists" second. Occasionally, we heard in the hallways the now infamous quote " those who can't become teachers" or words to that effect. Probably in some cases that's true either out of incompetence in the field, other circumstances like having a steady income and benefits from a University, or just wanting to give back and share knowledge gained in the field.
Oh and by the way, I was a graduate teaching assistant for 2 years and Instructor for 1 year before I went into industry as a professional Industrial Designer. I wore a whole bunch of hats in that endeavor as well, Research Assistant in Human Factors, Product Designer, Automotive Designer, and Creative Sculptor.

The BEST teachers enjoy the process of enlightening minds and sharing their knowledge and challenging their students to think outside the box. I had some of the BEST in the World., even world famous ones. Richard Hunt who makes welded sculpture out of Chicago, for one.

Oh and by the way, I have never owned, run or managed a for profit company of my own. Woodworking has always been a passion, a hobby and a necessity as a home owner. I probably don't have the business mind it takes to be profitable AND I like my projects so much after the time and money invested it's difficult to part with them. That's just my point of view.

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Oh and by the way, I was a graduate teaching assistant for 2 years and Instructor for 1 year before I went into industry as a professional Industrial Designer. I wore a whole bunch of hats in that endeavor as well, Research Assistant in Human Factors, Product Designer, Automotive Designer, and Creative Sculptor.
You forgot about the architecture background.






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how do you make money with Youtube videos?

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It would be difficult using someone else's videos. But, as an alternative method for making money, here's a few I tried.

Back in the early 80's while having a full shop schedule, I taught woodworking and cabinetmaking to an adult education class at night. The pay wasn't a lot, but better than lunch money. Also during that time I got offered a gig on a local radio station to answer questions about cabinetry and finishing on an open phone forum. No pay, but it was the best free advertising I could get.

I got quite a bit of work from that show. Enough to warrant moving to a larger shop. I don't know if anyone listens to the radio anymore. I usually listen to Blue Collar Comedy. Both those sidelines deterred from my work schedule, but besides being a productive source, it was a good break from the shop work.






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http://www.ehow.com/how_5152064_make-money-youtube.html But that was not the intent of my post. The intent was to show how folks can learn from it, even those with years of experience like myself. It's a teaching aid and instead of posting photos or text and digging through my photo software, I use it to explain things more easily. If a picture is worth a 1000 words, a video is worth 100 times that. If there is an issue with posting You Tube or other links then what are we doing here anyway, just talking to ourselves, rather than sharing knowledge and giving advice?
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