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2. What is a good and inexpensive wood engraver? I would like to have the ability to engrave my products per the customers request as needed. Is this one decent or are they cheap junk?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

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We have a CNC but for detailed engraving and better contrast I use a local trophy shop where they have three Epilog high-powered lasers. If you're doing plaques to mount on the caskets then you can do the artwork (most shops use CorelDraw) and have your plaque engraved for a fairly low cost until you can get a laser of your own.

I don't know which part of East Texas you're in but the shop I use is in Bossier City and they do excellent work if you don't have a local shop to use.

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I have used all of them at various times. I have the "luxury" of a table saw permanently setup with an 8" dado set. I never needed the full depth of the 8" set, mostly only 1/2" to 3/8" deep, so a 6" set would do almost everything I ever need. I use the Oshlun brand in both 6" and 8" sizes with nice results. I also have a Freud set that I have yet to use. I can see in the casket making "business" you will be making a zillion dados unlike me, so if it's at all possible give yourself a break a get a 2nd table saw for dados! Many woodworkers find a used Craftsman 10" saw and dedicate it to making rabbetts and dados! Rabbets are another great woodworking joint and should not be overlooked.



Running 84" dados or rabbetts with a router would NOT be my choice. I have made 16" long dados across shelving using my router because running a long shelf board across the table saw is unweildy and leads to inaccurate dados. I have also used a RAS a great deal for 16" long dados and is my preferred method for those! I have the "luxury" of having a 2nd RAS setup for shorter dados as well!



A router table, lift and 3 HP router will cost you around $1000 and is a wonderful addition to any shop. I have 2 of those, but unless I'm doing a lot of "edge profiling".... the router tables don't get used much ...... and I don't. Not a waste of money, just a bit of overkill., a tool "addict's" downfall.


You can get the Oshlun 6" or 8" sets on Amazon. The 6" is under $70.00, and the 8" is about $92.00. Other brands vary in price to up over $200.00. One advantage of the 6" set is the "run down time" until the blades stop spinning and it is safe to work around them, another mostly overlooked aspect of the smaller size. I'd get the 6" and move up if it becomes necessary. In running a business keep all your receipts and get a tax number with will give you access to some wholesale pricing. The receipts will be used a tax time to amortize your equipment costs over 5 or 10 years. Also keep all your yearly utility bills ..... heating, cooling and lighting doesn't grow on trees! A good income tax person would be my recommendation!


PS, you will never be at a loss for customers, since they are dying to get youe service......
You guys continue to impress me with your experience and suggestions. This is great info and I truly appreciate every word of it from everyone who has posted.

As mentioned the 6" set may be my best choice at this time. Later down the road I could hopefully setup a 2nd table saw for 8" if needed or use simply for regular ripping. I am planning to build in a "kit" fashion. I want to cut all the pieces for several units at once to alleviate having to change out bits and blade so much.

Again, please keep the ideas and personal experiences coming. I am really enjoying hearing everyone's own personal preferences and ideas. I am making lots of notes from this thread, LOL. Yes, I am hoping I am successful in selling as many units as I can. Sadly people are dying every second so there will always be a need. I just hope I am able to keep up with the demand as I do work a full time job but my hopes are to build caskets and other items at a full time level at some point.

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We have a CNC but for detailed engraving and better contrast I use a local trophy shop where they have three Epilog high-powered lasers. If you're doing plaques to mount on the caskets then you can do the artwork (most shops use CorelDraw) and have your plaque engraved for a fairly low cost until you can get a laser of your own.

I don't know which part of East Texas you're in but the shop I use is in Bossier City and they do excellent work if you don't have a local shop to use.

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David, yes sir that is also something I am going to need to figure out. I was thinking as you mentioned of getting a trophy shop here to do my engraving until I can afford to purchase one of my own. BTW...... I am in Longview, Texas so I am not far from you at all.
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LRM, Something no body has mentioned:....How are you going to sell your caskets? I had an unfinished furniture store for many years and did offer caskets,,,,standard sizes and special order......Not as many people as you might think will buy caskets......Most of the ones that were sold were for novelty effect or for furniture such as coffee tables. Probably less than 2 out of ten were sold to be actually used as caskets. I would suggest you look at caskets being sold online also..there are plenty of ‘rustic’ caskets there... and also check state laws on use of same.
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LRM, Something no body has mentioned:....How are you going to sell your caskets? I had an unfinished furniture store for many years and did offer caskets,,,,standard sizes and special order......Not as many people as you might think will buy caskets......Most of the ones that were sold were for novelty effect or for furniture such as coffee tables. Probably less than 2 out of ten were sold to be actually used as caskets. I would suggest you look at caskets being sold online also..there are plenty of ‘rustic’ caskets there... and also check state laws on use of same.

This is an important post to pay attention to. Be especially diligent in researching state laws on caskets. I think you will find some very specific regulations that must be followed.


I doubt that many caskets are sold by anyplace other than a funeral home. I would have never thought of looking for one in any other location.


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casket regulations for Michigan ....

So, this was interesting:
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...-michigan.html


You need a death certificate from a funeral home director within 72 hrs of death.
You would need to contact the cementary about their rules and regulations because they may require a metal exterior casket as well as the wood one?
Other issues....?

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Not to get too far off track but:

I would hope anyone going into business would have a business plan, which would include. regulations, production methods, local competitors and sales among other things.

My guess is a working arrangement with a local funeral home would be pretty well essential, and be very beneficial as to specifications that would have to be adhered to.
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Traditional Burial and getting the facts straight...

I'm not clear why Michigan Reg's are popping up in a post about Caskets most likely wanted for funerals in Texas...???...That makes no sense to me and not very helpful to the OP's questions either...Is it?

Further...obviously there needs to be some "fact checking" by some of our readers about the...actual rules and regulations...surrounding this topic.

Just following the link thus far provided clearly states that in Michigan...there is NO ISSUE at all with what the OP is trying to achieve with his caskets...Getting facts straight before posting is important to not getting off track and/or confusing the heck out of readers regarding a subject!!!

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...Do I have to buy a casket from the funeral home?

No.

Federal law requires funeral homes to accept caskets that consumers have purchased from another source, such as an online retailer. You may also build your own casket, if you prefer.
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GREEN BURIALS are allowed in some form or anther in all 50 states and its five territories. Where there is (or has been questions) all have successfully been challenged to date.

Another (actually helpful) information source to support the OP is the GBC(Green Burial Counsel) and FCIS (Funeral Consumers Information Society)

Anyone that actually "wants" a green and/or traditional service burial can have one...period! Those that suggest otherwise are either misinformed or trying to sell something. Further, the laws-ordnance remaining are being challenged or change annually in most regions.

To date I have built 6 caskets, stands and/or burial shrouds of some form or another. I've been part of several traditional funeral ceremony as well...including detail for a family the realities of "Sky Burials." Death is part of life, and Wood (or woodworking) of some form has been part of most cultural aspects of this time in everyone's life for millenia...
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I have an Oshlun 8” set that serves my needs well. Blades/teeth are all ground to the same diameter making for nice flat bottom which is important for certain applications. I also have a cheap set branded as Mibro. It is also sold under other names and comes in a wood case giving the appearance of quality. The set is junk. Buy a known brand, some of which are mentioned in this thread. They will cost twice as much as the cheap crap but are worth every extra dollar.

Also, have a business plan. If you don’t have the knowledge/ability to operate a business, learn before you start. I’ve seen extremely talented artists and craftsmen go into business trying to sell their work only to fail miserably because they had no plan and did not know how to operate a business.
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A bit of hypocrisy here, I'd say ....

Jay's Quote says:

Traditional Burial and getting the facts straight...
I'm not clear why Michigan Reg's are popping up in a post about Caskets most likely wanted for funerals in Texas...???...That makes no sense to me and not very helpful to the OP's questions either...Is it?

Further...obviously there needs to be some "fact checking" by some of our readers about the...actual rules and regulations...surrounding this topic.

Just following the link thus far provided clearly states that in Michigan...there is NO ISSUE at all with what the OP is trying to achieve with his caskets...Getting facts straight before posting is important to not getting off track and/or confusing the heck out of readers regarding a subject!!!

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...Do I have to buy a casket from the funeral home?

No.

Federal law requires funeral homes to accept caskets that consumers have purchased from another source, such as an online retailer. You may also build your own casket, if you prefer.
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I get chastised for posting a link regarding Michigan's burial regulations, as being not relevant, then he quotes the very same link which is Federal Law which is quite applicable. I stated I found the link "interesting" ... and nothing else. Let the OP decide if the information is useful, not another member.

It was interesting to me personally, because my dear mother's wish was to have her ashes scattered on the lake she enjoyed so much when she came to visit. I found that there were no restrictions stated regarding the dispersal of a deceased person's ashes which I had not bothered to investigate. The subject or funeral urns to contain the deceased's ashes was mentioned previously as an additional source of revenue as was the entire subject of "regulations" in general.

If the OP found my reply offensive, I apologize.
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I bought an 8" dado set made by Mibro off of Amazon for about $50. They are easy to setup and are pretty darn accurate

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Traditional Burial and getting the facts straight...
I'm not clear why Michigan Reg's are popping up in a post about Caskets most likely wanted for funerals in Texas...???...That makes no sense to me and not very helpful to the OP's questions either...Is it?

Further...obviously there needs to be some "fact checking" by some of our readers about the...actual rules and regulations...surrounding this topic.

Just following the link thus far provided clearly states that in Michigan...there is NO ISSUE at all with what the OP is trying to achieve with his caskets...Getting facts straight before posting is important to not getting off track and/or confusing the heck out of readers regarding a subject!!!

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...Do I have to buy a casket from the funeral home?

No.

Federal law requires funeral homes to accept caskets that consumers have purchased from another source, such as an online retailer. You may also build your own casket, if you prefer.
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I get chastised for posting a link regarding Michigan's burial regulations, as being not relevant, then he quotes the very same link which is Federal Law which is quite applicable. I stated I found the link "interesting" ... and nothing else. Let the OP decide if the information is useful, not another member.

It was interesting to me personally, because my dear mother's wish was to have her ashes scattered on the lake she enjoyed so much when she came to visit. I found that there were no restrictions stated regarding the dispersal of a deceased person's ashes which I had not bothered to investigate. The subject or funeral urns to contain the deceased's ashes was mentioned previously as an additional source of revenue as was the entire subject of "regulations" in general.

If the OP found my reply offensive, I apologize.

I agree with you 100%. I have probably made and sold more caskets than anyone on this board.........and I enjoy Jay’s posts, even if he does tend to ‘preach’ a little too often.
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...I enjoy Jay’s posts, even if he does tend to ‘preach’ a little too often.
To many years teaching...and "preaching" (Chaplin Duty in the Marines) to the point that my nickname was "Preacher" to fellow Marines...So you observation, and given moniker is well earned and too true sometimes...

Thank you Brother for the feedback...I'll work on not being so "preachy" on topics...

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Hey guys. Sorry I haven't responded, been really busy over the weekend. Thank you all for responding. I appreciate everyone's interest in my plans.

woodnthings...........no worries, I understand. You guys are only trying to help me and I appreciate that.

Texas doesn't have any specific predefined laws on building caskets. I have checked with the State, Funeral Association and Cemetery Association. As long as the sizes (STD. - 84"L x 28"W x 24"H) are within spec there is no issue. Fortunately, I worked for a funeral home for a good while and learned quite a lot about the burial process and such. This was the first thing I thoroughly investigated before I did anything. We have more laws governing the roadside crosses than we do caskets as odd as that sounds. Within a couple hours or so me, there is a woman who builds & sells wooden caskets but she caters mostly to the northern portion of the State. I have seen her units come through the home a time or two, they are very well crafted. However, since she is further north of me so I don't foresee and significant competition issues.

Marketing....... I will be contacting all the home directors in my area. Being that I was a Police Officer / Deputy Sheriff here for many years as well, I got to know most of the home directors so I am hoping that will play in my favor to some degree. I will also have a website, Craigslist, Facebook, and a couple good life long friends who "seem to know everyone in town" that are going to start spreading the word for me when I give them the green light. In addition, I will (maybe) have a magnetic sign on the tailgate of my truck posting my business. Honestly, I am not so much worried about getting the orders with my various avenues of making myself known as I am having the time to get them built in a time frame that they are needed by.

Business Plan........ I have it all laid out and in order. I have a couple different business men (family members) who have had their own businesses for over 30 years helping me as well. DBA's, Tax ID numbers, mission statement, tax filing, liabilities, etc, etc, it's all been covered and slowly coming together. Also, my Dad was in business for many many years, I learned quite a lot from him as well.

I have been woodworking (thank to my Dad) for many years and I really don't have many concerns with my abilities to make this work on the small level I have planned. If I didn't mention before, I will also build roadside crosses to fill any gaps (hopefully). Since this is not my primary source of income and I have no overhead, I'm not too worried if it is slow here and there. I am fully prepared for the up's and down's. All businesses' cycle and have their "unsure moments" so I'm sure it will be ok. My #1 goal is to offer the best quality product I can and meet the customers expectations every way I can. I believe, in my experience, that is the key to any businesses success.

I do appreciate everyone's comments and concerns. Please keep them coming. I am sure there are some things I have overlooked or simply not thought of.

I have pretty much decided to go with the 8" Dado set as that way I will have it covered should I ever have a need for the deeper cut.
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So after a very tiring few weeks of researching and checking out different Dado sets under $100. Here's what I am looking to order:

https://www.amazon.com/Oshlun-SDS-08...ct_top?ie=UTF8

On to my next question / request:

Can you guys recommend a decently priced Dovetail Jig?

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So after a very tiring few weeks of researching and checking out different Dado sets under $100. Here's what I am looking to order:

https://www.amazon.com/Oshlun-SDS-08...ct_top?ie=UTF8

On to my next question / request:

Can you guys recommend a decently priced Dovetail Jig?

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Looks like the same setup I have. Works well for me but I’m am far from doing production work. I may use the dado setup a couple times a year. I use it mainly to do box joints on keepsake boxes to something similar to small ammo boxes.
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Looks like the same setup I have. Works well for me but I’m am far from doing production work. I may use the dado setup a couple times a year. I use it mainly to do box joints on keepsake boxes to something similar to small ammo boxes.
Hi Kerry. Yes sir. I think it will do very well for my needs. I am hopeful that some point down the road if my profits permit, I will possibly step up to one of those higher end setups but for now I will be very grateful for this one. I actually have some old ammo boxes. Don't really do anything with them but I keep them because I just like em, LOL.

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OK, I found this by accident ......

This may be of interest to you?
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Caskets for Obese Booming - YouTube
Yes sir, that is very interesting and I will more than likely be watching it over and over. I have already given some thought to this size of casket for those times when that request comes. In a very short time after I am "officially" building and taking orders, I will begin pulling together some plans for the larger size caskets. Thanks for posting this, much appreciated.

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So, this is the Dado set I wound up getting. I am hopeful it will make clean and even cuts. I have not installed it yet but I will over the next week or so. I am almost ready to start building my first casket. It will more than likely be a test run unit just to get some ideas on the cuts and assembly. I will report back on the IRWIN dado set.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/irwin-marpl...saAn2oEALw_wcB

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