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post #21 of 28 Old 07-30-2020, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kwoodhands View Post
Your post reminds me of my first side job.
she probably cussed those screw holes in her door jam every time she walked by them
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As a summer job before senior year, I was a plumbers helper. One of the jobs I went on was to repair copper pipes that had burst the winter before from freezing. The plumber told me about a job to thaw pipes at a home where the owner had taken a long time to pay for the previous job. Our boss told him not to leave without money for this present job. After he finished thawing the pipes with a machine like an arc welder, the lady was acting reluctant to pay. The plumber told her that if she didn't pay now, he was going to hook the machine up backwards and re-freeze the pipes! She gave him the money.
Man I would have loved to been there to see that blank expression on her face. "ok, I'll pay".
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These problems only happened to me when I was new in business. When things got slow and someone came in for custom work and bargained me way down to what later called 'give-away jobs'. It just seemed to happen right before a pile of good priced work would come in.
The customer of the 'give-away job' was never happy and tied me up from making money on the good jobs. The give-away jobs always bit me on the butt. I think what is happening here is that they are power freaks. They bid me way down and had control over me. Once that happens, they will constantly exercise that power.
After several of those, I NEVER did that again. When people would try to bargain me way down, I would tell them to find someone that does country crafts. They will usually work for less. Goodbye.
When I sold my last shop, I warned the new owner about this He didn't heed my warnings and fell into the same traps.

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post #24 of 28 Old 07-31-2020, 08:14 AM
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I learned a long time ago to cut the job, not the price. You want a dining table that seats 10 but you only want to pay for one that seats 8? Fine, I'll build you one that seats 8 and y'all can sit closer together but my price on the one that seats 10 stands firm.



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Many years ago I decided that I would rather not work for free, than work for free. It changed my life. Just stay positive, and practice intelligent self interest. Have a great day
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Years back when I was framing before I started contracting, I had one contractor who didn't want to pay for the siding in the gables of the house. I asked him if he wanted siding in the gables and he said I just said I do. I said that will be X numbers of $ per sq ft or no siding.

I found out early in business that no good deed goes unpunished and that is no joke. Every time I tried to give someone a break, I got the shaft, I quit giving breaks. I started doing like a Dentist friend of mine said, I am not a cut rate Dentist, I won't cut price.

I could go on and on about the times I got screwed and a couple times it was really for a large sum of money but that is the way it is when you are in business. Two times I took out an ad in the paper, never did that again, all I got was people shopping price, never got a job that way.

In the early 90s, I bid a house for $500,000, the woman didn't know what she wanted until she saw it, that job turned out to be right at a million $ with all the changes she did. I was never so glad to get away from a job in all my life.
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There's always the suggestion to ask each customer what they want: quality, price or speed, pick any two.

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[QUOTE=Noek;2125745]I hired an engineer and contractor to build a room addition. I remember discussing with the contractor the plans and layout. At the end he said something that stuck, Ill never forget it.

"Whatever changes you decide to make as we go on is fine but don't make me pay for your loft."

I think a lot of customers half expect free changes or upgrades as they go along, whether its extra trim work or design work. Very unfair to the contractor. In my case, I did change a few things and added a walk in closet, etc etc. and I appreciated that he told me up front about the costs changing so that I was aware and expected it.[/QUOTE

My contract states:

"5) ALTERATIONS TO CONTRACT- Alterations to this contract may be made at any time prior to or during the course of the contract, with the following stipulations:
A) Alterations to this contract must have the mutual consent of both purchaser and builder.
B) Any alterations to this contract will be subject to cost adjustments as applicable. Purchaser is entitled to an estimate of such cost adjustments, if requested."

Billed as time and materials.
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