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How do you hold on?

To small pieces to router the edges?

I don't feel safe doing it on the router table, one
grab and ouch.

I have a work table with blocks in the corner but
it doesn't work well with irregular pieces.

I tried hot glue but the spot showed up in the finish.
Even after sanding.

I am thinking about a small vacuum table?

I saw a piece of foam used once, is it just regular
thin foam?

Any input???
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How small is small?

You could possibly pin nail or screw it from the bottom to a larger peice of plywood.

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Bh,
If you can, it's usually a lot safer to route a larger piece of wood and then rip or cut it down to size. Machining any kind of little pieces of wood gets dangerous. Be careful,
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The ones I am working on now are brackets for
the mast step. The edges are the last step.

They have a hole, so I can drill a hole in a larger
piece and use a short dowel to hold it. But often
that is not an option and both sides show so I don't
want any un-needed holes to fill later.

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Bh,
They used to sell a router pad that really looked like your basic carpet padding. I have done small pieces the size of what you are showing by using a pad. The pad just keeps it from sliding around. You have to have a little 'feel' for the router, because the pad compresses slightly. You just want to make sure the router base maintains contact with your piece as you move around.
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Router hold down jig

I found this jig plan somewhere and it looks like it might work:

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Not what you asked, but if you want to go back to the table (I'd have a hard time controlling a router on top of a small piece myself) that jig looks good, but not having one I'd use a handscrew clamp if the piece were the right shape--by all means keep those hands safe though, and hold the piece with something else.
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Those aren't that small,IMO.I would just run it on a router table using the bearing as a guide.What kind of profile(size) are you using?

If it doesn't feel safe to you it usually isn't.Only you know your own skill level and what you are capable of.Stay safe.

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For those I would just use a friction mat on my bench and the laminate trimmer with the appropriate bit.
It's always good to think ahead of time before ending up with a small piece to router a profile.



These brackets in the pic are part of the desk I'm sitting at that I made a long time ago. I cut all the small top and bottom pieces to length and then ended up building an almost identical jig to the one Basser posted there, and still felt like an idiot when I realized I should have just routed them out of long manageable lengths then cut to size. The laminate trimmers work well, they don't have scary torque when using one handed, and you can easily float them across the narrow ends of your work, but try planning on leaving yourself some clamping material first before cutting to final size.

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I had to router something similar a while back, and too felt unsafe with the fingers so close. I used a 1" x 3" x 12" long piece of wood and used 2-sided tape. Imagine this piece of wood perpendicular to the picture of your project with the ruler. It gets your hands a little further away from the bit and you have full control as you run the wood through the router. I used 2-sided tape for everything it seems, even if I need clean up a straight edge and don't want to move to the jointer.

Also, only take a little bit of wood off with each pass. I'd rather run 10 passes and not have any problems vice trying to run through in a pass or two and risk getting a chunk of wood out or even more so my a chunk out of my finger.

Good luck!
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BHOFM I simple solution to your problem is to cut a thinner piece of wood that the piece you want to route will fit inside. Like an outer template. Make it large enough to be able to clamp it down with the clamp getting in the way of the router.

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Those aren't that small,IMO.I would just run it on a router table using the bearing as a guide.What kind of profile(size) are you using?

If it doesn't feel safe to you it usually isn't.Only you know your own skill level and what you are capable of.Stay safe.
I don't think it is a question of skill, I have limited
use of my right hand and slow reaction with it.

If it doesn't feel safe, I don't. When I was learning
to fly, my Dad always told me to "Not fly in harms
way." If it doesn't feel right, go around and try
it again.

I think I have a fix, will have to wait till tomorrow
to try it, no power tools after 9pm, city code.

Will post some pic's in a few.

Ok,, it's been a few.

Block of wood with a 1 1/4" hole and a cleat.

Shop vac plugged in hole.

Cleat clamped in table vise and mouse pad
installed with double back tape and one inch
hole cut. The mouse pad is upside down BTW!

Piece on hole, vac running, heaven and earth won't
move it.

Give it a real try tomorrow, and let you know.

Cost. $0.

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Good deal.Let us know how it turns out.Your brain will always be your best tool.

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Bh,
If you can, it's usually a lot safer to route a larger piece of wood and then rip or cut it down to size. Machining any kind of little pieces of wood gets dangerous. Be careful,
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+1.

This is very definitely the best if the configuration will allow.

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For those I would just use a friction mat on my bench and the laminate trimmer with the appropriate bit.
It's always good to think ahead of time before ending up with a small piece to router a profile.



These brackets in the pic are part of the desk I'm sitting at that I made a long time ago. I cut all the small top and bottom pieces to length and then ended up building an almost identical jig to the one Basser posted there, and still felt like an idiot when I realized I should have just routed them out of long manageable lengths then cut to size. The laminate trimmers work well, they don't have scary torque when using one handed, and you can easily float them across the narrow ends of your work, but try planning on leaving yourself some clamping material first before cutting to final size.
From the picture those small pieces look like good candidates to first route before cutting. As far as I can tell they are all identical. First shape one longer piece and then cut out the pieces you need.

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From the picture those small pieces look like good candidates to first route before cutting. As far as I can tell they are all identical. First shape one longer piece and then cut out the pieces you need.

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You're right George, live and learn
That project was the first real piece of furniture I ever tried to make, I was pretty much self taught coming from a mostly trim carpenter background. Ten years ago I never knew there were web sites like this one...maybe there wasn't one?

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I wonder if some double sided sticky tape or gorilla grip tape would work? [carpet tape]

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I wonder if some double sided sticky tape or gorilla grip tape would work? [carpet tape]

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I am sure it would work, but I hate that stuff.

The rig I made last night works like a dream.
Did some play pieces and pushed harder than
I ever will on real pieces and it does not move.

Did my two brackets and plan to use it on several
other things. Time well spent.
Also, the vac is handy for clean up!
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Well, if the vacuum works that well then I'd say the idea is a keeper.

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You could try double stick tape I have seen it used on several projects
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