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Hide glue opinions?

I am going to be gluing up a box in the near future and I feel like it's going to be rushing me to get it all together and square before the Titebond starts to set. I've seen/heard about hide glue as a slow set option, but have never used it. Anyone have any experience with it, or other options for slow set glue?

The box is made of ash, and the corners are box joints if that matters.

My other option is to just glue up one or two of the corners and leave the rest dry fit, square it up and let it dry. Then take the dry fit pieces apart and glue them later. Although I'm not sure I want to stress the glued joints with disassembling and assembling it.
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titebond 111 gives you 15 minutes to adjust the pieces before it grabs.
Slightly quicker on very hot days, but still gives more time than most easily available glues.

But be careful if theres going to be a visible glue line, it dries brown.

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I would definitely say hide glue isn’t your friend if you want long assembly time.

One of the things I like about epoxy is that the open time is very predictable. If you use slow gardener, you can generally be assured of 20 plus minutes to put things together unless you’re working in an unusually hot area.
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Ron when it comes time to glue up I shake like a dog sh****** peach seeds. I have made and used hide glue but it has been several years since I have used it. I bought some Tite Bond hide glue and I am going to use it tomorrow. I love the idea of having the extra time to things right. The thing you have to watch is the date. It's only good for a year so I am told. I bought mine from Rockler and they said they sold 10 bottles that day so I figure theirs might be fresh. If you like it you might look into making it yourself. It is cheap to buy the stuff to make it. You don't have to buy one of those pots that run about $70, There are other ways that are cheaper. Google it and you will learn about it.

Elmer's glue has a good open time and I like it.

https://www.wwgoa.com/article/measur...assembly-time/

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I would definitely say hide glue isnít your friend if you want long assembly time.

One of the things I like about epoxy is that the open time is very predictable. If you use slow gardener, you can generally be assured of 20 plus minutes to put things together unless youíre working in an unusually hot area.
You might be surprised.

https://www.wwgoa.com/article/measur...assembly-time/

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I think most hide glues were used before we had better glues available. Iíve never been impressed with a hide glue.
When gluing up box joint panels as large as a toy box, I donít think much glue will be needed. If the box seems tight when dry-fitted, I would just use a little glue to secure the box.
With everything laid out in a state of readiness and using a good helper, I think your assembly can go pretty fast.
Iíve enjoyed your pictures. Great work.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when will you have time to do it over?
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I think they're talking about liquid hide glue. I've had miserable results with liquid hide glue. I've just never gotten a decent bond.


I was referring to hot hide glue. Sticks great, but you gotta work fast!
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Thanks for the info all. I didn't realize Titebond III had a longer set up time. That may be enough.
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Titebond makes a glue especially for slow set to give you more open time. It's called Titebond Extend Wood Glue. It's suppose to give you 15 minutes open time. You could also extend that by dampening the wood a little prior to making the assembly.
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We normally use titebond extend but if we have a big glue-up to do, we switch to titebond III. It's easier to spread than the extend and you seem to have a little more working time. Also, for boxes just gluing 2 opposite corners at a time and then gluing the other two after they dry works pretty good too.

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I've used titebond hide glue on a project requiring 32 pieces, and the slow set time was very helpful. problem is, it is moisture sensitive. and I had the assemblies shift on very humid days. not good.
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I've used titebond hide glue on a project requiring 32 pieces, and the slow set time was very helpful. problem is, it is moisture sensitive. and I had the assemblies shift on very humid days. not good.
Tim, are you talking after the TB hide glue has dried it shifts.

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I used Titebond Extend when building my Roubo bench with no problems. It was easy to work with, even when face gluing multiple 8í long boards.
The Titebond III stays open for a reasonably long time, but as stated before, it has a tint to it when dry.


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Tim, are you talking after the TB hide glue has dried it shifts.
yes, it did. I was making wine racks resembling the bottom of a barrel, with 32 staves. wine store had them stored in damp environment. they brought 2 back which had shifted a good 1/4". I think you can dissolve the glue/joint with steam.
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Hide glues are the adhesives of choice for fine stringed musical instruments.
Luthier acquaintance tells me that there are four different hide glues in a $60,000 violin.
I think that you can buy several from Stew-Mac (lutheir's supply).
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I must confess that she's 4-year British Luthery school- trained,
works for several big-shot symphony orchestras and she's absolutely charming, besides.
Forget the violin. She can make those things from scratch. She can make bows from scratch, too.

The very most ultra cool wood working shop, carpet-covered benches, bunches of "thumb planes", etc.
Actually, I made a batch of a dozen scrapers for her some time back.

Fish glue, rabbit glue (was also on old lick-em postage stamps, remember?), cow glue and #4 I can never recall.
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